Thinking about a CZ-75

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I'm looking to make a purchase this winter, and was originally looking for a WASR, but I've recently concluded a high capacity 9mm might be more useful in the long run. I've been reading everyone on here raving about the CZ 75, so I went to the local dealer to see what it would cost to order one, and he shot me a pretty good deal on a 75 d compact that has been sitting a while; less than I could get a standard 75b for. I like the idea of a compact gun that might be suitable for carry (if we ever get it here :cuss:), so it's high on the possibility list.

The question comes in because I searched the old threads around here and found many postings saying they wouldn't trust the decocker on the 75. Are they referring to the B that simply has an intermediate hammer position, or are the decocker models unsafe to carry with a round in the chamber? I wouldn't hesitate to carry condition 1 if I had a B with a manual safety, so is that what I should be looking for? The thought of only having a DA trigger pull between my booger hook and a bang frankly makes me a little nervous, but then I'm a 1911 guy, not a revolver guy.

Should I just forget it all and get a saiga 12? (those things are probably unobtanium now too at any rate):confused:
 
If you can find a saiga 12 at a reasonable price I'd snatch that up. But like you said, those are gone with the wind! lol i know lame


anyways why haven't you picked up that CZ yet?!?!:confused:

You really cannot go wrong with any CZ - if I'm not mistaken the CZ 75 compact has a manual safety. It's exactly the same as the full size only smaller. Is the one you're referring to the PCR version? That has a decocker. Even the decocker versions have a half-cock position, which is what the decocker does, it doesn't uncock the hammer completely - it just places it in the half-cock. This allows for a double action pull that's not that heavy but still heavy enough to prevent NDs - like a revolver.

Anyway I've got the PCR and couldn't be happier. And unlike the 75b vs. 75b compact there are many differences between the full size 75b and 75b PCR

Hope that helps! :)
 
CZ 75B and variants are great guns and quality for the money.
reliable, accurate, and good customer service from CZUSA. I
have the blued 75B - got it in May in 9mm luger to get a more
economical option for the range vs the .45 ACP. With the thumb
safety - it's only operable if the hammer is fully cocked btw -
I lower the hammer manually to the 'safety' notch which is the
same position a decocker model lowers it to. I've read a lot of
threads myself and haven't heard much if any about any design
problem with the decockers. Since you are looking at a
CZ 75 Decocker Compact, is it the P01 or PCR? The other
Compact CZ 75s are in 9mm luger or .40 S&W and have steel
frames unlike the alloy framed P01/PCR. The P01 has a
light rail and older style sights, the PCR has the newer three dot
sights. They all take the longer mags although they stick out
of the bottom of the mag well of course.

I have over 1100 rds through mine and just one FTF - I think the
last bullet loaded into the mag wasn't all the way back or
something odd on that one. Easy to field strip and re-assemble
great shoooter at the range, more accurate than i am.

FWIW - mine was $509 last May before a slight price
increase mid-summer by CZ.

carrying with the hammer at quarter cock aka the
"safety" notch, it's a fair bit of trigger length of pull as
well as they all have a firing pin block in case of a dropped
weapon. Did you handle the Compact in question?

Randall
 
oh and I've got a glock so I'm used to the whole concept of "no safeties beside your booger hook" thing. Just practice safe gun handling and it shouldn't be a problem.

I've also got the full size 75b and, honestly, I'm more comfortable with the DA pull over condition one. But then again, I'm a revolver guy - so to each his own.
 
The weapon in question is this one. Is this what is being referred to as a "PCR"?

I did handle it, and I was shocked at how good the trigger felt. I was also surprised how light (although long) the DA pull was, but then I don't have much to compare it with. I'm pretty sure I can get it $500 out the door, but I'm kinda waiting to attend a local show right after Christmas, just in case I find something I want more.

My main question is if carrying one decocked is more or less safe than cocked and locked. Also, is the firing pin blocked unless the trigger is pulled?
 
Yes that would be the PCR version. It was the first alloy framed pistol in the 75b line, I believe.

If I were you I'd snatch that up right away - 500 otd is an excellent price. I got mine for 460 but after shipping and FFL fees it came out to a little over 500, but that was a while ago and CZs are gaining in popularity - so will their pricetag. I don't believe you will find a better deal on a firearm of equal quality, especially considering the times.

In my opinion, the half-cock position is just as safe as cond. 1 provided you handle all your weapons the same (safely). It is also my understanding that yes the weapon will not fire unless the trigger is pulled. The half-cock position is as far as it goes, in the event your hammer falls, unless the trigger is pulled.

As a testament to its safety the PCR is essentially the same gun as the P-01, minus an accessory rail, which underwent and passed NATO torture tests and is now NATO certified. I'll try and find the link if I can

http://www.cz-usa.com/media_releases.php?m=4&msgid=37

here it is - right on their website heh
 
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Geneseo1911,

You better stay away from the CZ . . . . . . you gonna' get messed up. . . . . take my advice. . . . find something else to buy
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He is right... You will never stop with those blasted CZs...


However, I have a PCR, and I love it. That and my FNP9-M are my two absolute favorite carry guns. the Comp-Tac MTAC for the P01 fits the PCR perfectly don'tcha know, for when you hopefully eventually get carry rights or move to another state that already has them.


My PCR is a great pistol, is light enough with the alloy frame to carry easily, it's slide is more trim than its frame, so it doesn't feel bulky at all, and the grip is very well shaped.


Oh and it is perfectly reliable. Mine has never malfunctioned once, and the decocker is very nicely placed, so it doesn't get accidentally put into action while I'm trying to shoot but isn't difficult to engage when I want to.
 
The question comes in because I searched the old threads around here and found many postings saying they wouldn't trust the decocker on the 75.
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:confused: I must have missed those.

Are they referring to the B that simply has an intermediate hammer position, or are the decocker models unsafe to carry with a round in the chamber?
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A decocker model is certainly not unsafe to carry chambered. The lever drops the hammer to approximately half cock, and in a slow controlled manner; there is no way for it to contact the firing pin. Even if the systems were to fail simultaneously and catastrophically and the hammer hit the firing pin at full speed, there is still a firing pin block that is only deactivated by your pulling the trigger.
 
I have the PCR and love it. The decocker has never given me any troubles and I do not fear using it. As long as you are following the 4 rules it should never be a problem in the first place.
 
Another CZ-75D PCR fan here. Have had it since 2000 and it has been flawless. Also have a 1996 Turkish Mil overrun 75B and Kadet Kit. Now worries.
 
I think people who want a carry/range CZ should start with the
PCR/P-01 or P-06 then move onward from that.

A 75B or 75SA/SP-01 is ideal for the range but they get heavy after 8-10 hours a day.

One solution might be the 28 ounce PHANTOM, but the Compact frame hides better.
 
your on the right track - great handgun

CZF said

I think people who want a carry/range CZ should start with the
PCR/P-01 or P-06 then move onward from that.

That's what I did, started with the P01 (my CCW piece). Then a CZ75b and CZ75bd and a .22 Kadet kit. If I saw a PCR locally, I would have a hard time not snatching it up. Beware of CZs. Good luck with your decision.

best regards,

Luis Leon
 
Nothing to think about... BUY A CZ!!!
Have several... they are all super-quality, flawless shoots... period!!!
The 75B is a full-sized, service gun... while the 75D PCR and P-01 are 'Compacts' and ideal for CCW... My P-01 is my best/favorite shoot.
Agree with the guys saying go for thee PCR/P-01 first... then start building that collection!
 
I put cocobolo wood thin grips on it to make it even better.
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I did too, the stock rubber grips are soooo nice for gripping and holding, but can't compete with the PCR wearing Coco Bolos. What a great combination they are.
 
75B-SA favorite gun. The grip just fits. Added rubber factory grips. Plastic ones are kinda lame.

Got the rubber grips after handling a jericho .45 (was the older IMI one still wish I would have bought it. I love the old frame safety)

If only I could find an original 75..... I'd give about every gun I have for one.....
 
I picked up a used (hardly) 85B for $400 out the door. This is the ambidextrous version of the 75B.
 
The CZ p-01 with decocker is a pretty safe gun.

The P-01 is now a NATO classified pistol and issued the NATO stock number NSN 1005-16-000-8619.

The CZ P-01 is the culmination of several years of exhaustive design and testing. Ceska Zbrojovka has always had some of the most rigorous testing requirements in the world but, the Czech National police has required that they go even further, the testing regiment for this new pistol was the most demanding anyone has ever encountered. There are almost 20 specific requirements covering everything from accuracy to interchangability, from safety to reliability/durability and everything in between.

The pistol: The CZ P-01 is a Gen 3 pistol that began as a requirement for a lightweight compact pistol that will deliver the accuracy and durability of a full size, full weight pistol. This was no small task, several manufacturers declined to even start the project.

The first thing you notice about this pistol is the M3 light rail on the frame, a first for CZ, the alloy frame is a little wider at the top than a steel CZ 75. This adds strength and rigidity for mounting the light and increasing the accuracy and service life of the pistol. The P-01 also sports enhanced controls as well as a drop free magazine and a lanyard loop.

The pistol was required to pass a wide variety of tests:

The police required that the pistol ensure the highest level of comfort, an extended slide release was added as well as an extended magazine release and the trigger was reshaped to give a more consistent pull throughout the trigger stroke.

The pistol must be 100% reliable in extreme conditions, the following is a list of some of the minimum requirements.

Must be able to complete the following without failure:

4000 dry firings
3000 De-cockings
Operator level disassembly 1350 times with out ware or damage to components.
Complete disassembly 150 times, this is all the way down, pins, springs etc.
100% interchangability, any number of pistols randomly selected, disassembled, parts mixed and reassembled with no failures of any kind including loss of accuracy.


Safety requirements:

Drop test
1.5 meter (4.9”) drop test, this is done 54 times with the pistol loaded (blank) and the hammer cocked. Dropping the pistol on the butt, the muzzle, back of the slide, sides of the gun, top of the slide, in essence, any angle that you could drop the gun from. This is done on concrete and 0 failures are allowed! A failure is the gun firing.

3meter drop (9.8”) 5 times with the pistol loaded (blank) and the hammer cocked, This is done on concrete and 0 failures are allowed! A failure is the gun firing.

After these tests are complete the gun must fire without service.

The factory contracted an independent lab to do additional testing on guns that previously passed the drop tests. These pistol were dropped an additional 352 times without failure.

The pistol must also complete an environmental conditions test:
This means cold, heat, dust/sand and mud.
The pistol must fire after being frozen for 24 hours at –35C (-36F).
The pistol must fire after being heated for 24 hours at 70C (126F)
The pistol must fire after being submerged in mud, sand and combinations including being stripped of oil then completing the sand and mud tests again.

Service life:
The service life requirement from the Czech police was 15,000 rounds of +P ammo!
The pistol will exceed 30,000 rounds with ball 9mm.

Reliability:
The reliability requirements for the P-01 pistol are 99.8%, that’s a .2% failure rate.
This equals 20 stoppages in 10,000 rounds or 500 “Mean Rounds Between Failure” (MRBF)
During testing, the average number of stoppages was only 7 per 15,000 rounds fired, this is a .05% failure rate, a MRBF rate of 2142 rounds! Over 4 time the minimum acceptable requirement.
The U.S. Army MRBF requirement is 495 rounds for 9mm pistols with 115 grain Ball ammunition.
 
I started CZs with the 75BD, full sized with decocker. Very nice. tens of thousands of rounds. I did a bunch of speed steel with it. The decocker is reliable, easy to use and totally safe as long as you keep your finger on the frame until your sights are on target.

I have the P-01 in a fanny pack, in a belt holster as my carry around gun. Very accurate. The PCRD is pretty close to the same gun without the light rail. I don't use my rail now, thought it would be the bedside gun and a S&W1911PD with CT Laser grips took over that job.

Lots of us have more than one CZ, very few complaints about them on the net, and boy we are a whiny bunch if there is the slightest problem with any guns we even heard about.
 
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