Thinking about a Supressed SBR .22LR upper build

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wcoats

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I currently have an AR15 with a dedicated .22LR upper and thinking about turning it into a suppressed short barrel set up. I've seen some with 12" free float quad rails that look really nice. I talked to a local shop and they said that they can cut down and re-thread the barrel and make me a suppressor for $350 which seems fairly reasonable.(plus the $400 in tax stamps of course). I have a few questions tho:
  • current wait times to get the paper work back? 6 months ish?
  • I currently have my AR set up on an ATI Omni lower and I'm thinking I should probably just go ahead and get a forged lower to register as an SBR? Thoughts?
  • what length is good for a build with a 12" quad rail? I've heard of people doing 7.5" and 10" barrels. does the extra barrel length from the 10" probide any benefit? I'll appreciate pics of both set ups that anyone has.
  • Can someone give me links to the correct forms for registering an SBR and getting a suppressor and give me some advice on filling them out?

Here is a pic of my current set up
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This one is 10" with about an 11" rail. It has become one if my most fired guns.

Also consider the tacsol sbx upper, which will save you
The SBR stuff if you don't want to go that route.
 
does anyone make an integral suppressor barrel that would come out to 16" and not require the extra tax stamp for an SBR?
 
If you're already talking to a shop that will cut/thread your barrel and build you a can, just tell them that you want the can permanently attached to make the barrel length 16" and they should easily be able to do it for you. I personally wouldn't go with the one stamp gun because once you have a registered lower you can put any short upper you want on it (regardless of barrel length or caliber) but I know of people have permanently attached cans who are happy with them.

If you are doing a SBR, I would definitely go with a forged lower. There are stories of poly lowers breaking under use and whether or not they're true, there's no reason to risk it when you're registering a NFA weapon. If your registered SBR lower breaks, you're out of luck and have to register another lower (including another $200 tax and wait).

For transferring the suppressor, assuming your local shop is a manufacturer with a SOT (allowing them to make NFA weapons) they will make and register the can, and then once it is made it will transfer to you on a form 4. They should provide you with the form when it is ready and then you add your information (trust info or individual info) and a check, and then mail it to the NFA branch. If your dealer is not a manufacturer and just a dealer of NFA weapons, the process will be almost exactly the same unless they have to order the suppressor, which means the can will transfer to them on a form 3, and then once it arrives they will be able to transfer it to you on the form 4.

With the SBR, you can do it two ways. You can give your shop the gun and (assuming they are a manufacturer again) they can register the gun as a SBR and then transfer it to you on a form 4, just like the suppressor. The second way, which seems to be most common with ARs, is to register the weapon yourself on a form 1, and then add the new short upper or barrel yourself. Note you will have to wait for the approved form 1 and tax stamp to come back from the ATF before you make the changes. The advantage of doing a form 1 is that you get to keep your rifle in a functioning (non SBR) condition until the registration paperwork comes back.

Now for some not so great news. Form 1s and form 4s are now expected to take around 9 months, and form 3s (dealer to dealer) are around 90 days. Even with the wait, I would still recommend you go ahead with the project if you really want a suppressed SBR.
 
i am in the process of building a 22 upper for my sbr. one thing to consider is a shorter barrel with your can so total length will be under 11" with suppressor installed. this will be a good length when talking about compactness and storage.

and the real reason for a short 22lr barrel is to keep bulk pack standard and some high velocity ammo subsonic, which will be super quiet when fired with the can installed.

im going with either a 4.75" clint Beyer barrel or an American Weapon Systems SS 4.5" barrel.
 
wcoats said:
does anyone make an integral suppressor barrel that would come out to 16" and not require the extra tax stamp for an SBR?

Yes. Tacitcal Solutions used to make a barrel with a "permanently attached muzzle device" that will bring the overall length to 16". A standard suppressor then screws onto the barrel under this muzzle device. It's the Tactical Solutions AR-22 SB-X
 
I talked to my local shop again today and they can make me permanently attached suppressor that will have a total length of 16" and allow for removal of baffles and cleaning which would save me a $200 tax stamp and having to get a lower engraved. Trying to decided which way to go. If i go ahead and spend the extra $200 now I can move the suppressor around and have more short uppers in the future without as much hassle... Thoughts?
 
I have 3 short uppers and use my .22 suppressor on about 8 guns, so I would recommend just going the SBR route if you have any plans of expanding. If you just want one semi auto suppressed .22 then you can save the $200.
 
ok, so I just finished talking to my local shop again and now have a knew question. Their advice was to go ahead and get a suppressor that can handle .223 and I can use it on other AR's down the road. This got me wondering about just getting a .30 cal suppressor so I could also use it on other rifles.(I know I'd need a thread adapter to use it on some of them(do they make 1/2-28 to 5/8-24 thread adapters?). How well does an 8" long .30 cal suppressor quiet a .22LR? I know there would be more space around the bullet as it passes through the baffles, but does it still do a decent job suppressing it? He'll charge me $250 for a .22LR only suppressor or $650 for a .223 or .30 cal suppressor.

Also I decided to go the trust rout. Anyone have a link to an inexpensive software for drafting up a trust?

Thanks

Will
 
It would probably still do a decent job suppressing the round given the volume, but I wouldn't use a center fire rifle can on .22, especially if it's not able to be taken apart. Most .223 and .30 cal cans are sealed which is not great for rimfire given how dirty they can be.
 
The maker said the can will be fully disassemble and serviceable so I should be able to clean it when ever needed.

Has anyone used Quicken Will maker to make a trust with success?
 
wcoats said:
Their advice was to go ahead and get a suppressor that can handle .223 and I can use it on other AR's down the road. This got me wondering about just getting a .30 cal suppressor so I could also use it on other rifles.(I know I'd need a thread adapter to use it on some of them(do they make 1/2-28 to 5/8-24 thread adapters?). How well does an 8" long .30 cal suppressor quiet a .22LR? I know there would be more space around the bullet as it passes through the baffles, but does it still do a decent job suppressing it? He'll charge me $250 for a .22LR only suppressor or $650 for a .223 or .30 cal suppressor.

Sounds like you're a perfect candidate for a Huntertown Arms Kestrel .308.

The adapter you would need is redily available as well. LINK HERE.

Your total price would be $550 or so plus shipping, and the Transfer Fee from your FFL/SOT.

The Street Price on the kestrel .308 is $499. www.adcofirearms.com
 
Sounds like you're a perfect candidate for a Huntertown Arms Kestrel .308.

The adapter you would need is redily available as well. LINK HERE.

Your total price would be $550 or so plus shipping, and the Transfer Fee from your FFL/SOT.

The Street Price on the kestrel .308 is $499. www.adcofirearms.com
Ok, that looks like it would work. Any advantage or disadvantage of ordering one vs buying one from my local shop? Does it take longer if they have to transfer it to a local shop that then transfers it to me?
 
wcoats said:
Ok, that looks like it would work. Any advantage or disadvantage of ordering one vs buying one from my local shop? Does it take longer if they have to transfer it to a local shop that then transfers it to me?

If your local shop has a .308 suppressor that you can take apart for cleaning, then I would suggest going with them. I'm a big fan of supporting your local Gun Shop. Ordering one would take a form 3 transfer to your local FFL/SOT (Usually 3 weeks but in today's climate, I've seen them take 6 weeks and longer.) Then you would have to do your Form 4. That's the long wait transfer and I don't know how long that's taking these days. 6 months was the norm, but I've heard they're taking longer now.
 
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