I have to admit that I have never been a fan of Taurus products. I always felt they were inferior to the other name brands. Lately I have been hearing a lot of good things regarding the new Millenium Pro and went to check one out today. I have to say that I was qute impressed with the apparent overall quality and especially with the feel and trigger. I am seriously considering one of these for concealed carry but really up in the air as to which caliber would be the best in a gun of this size. I am leaning towards the 9mm or .45, any comments/opinions/experience would be appreciated. I am thinking that since this would be used at such short distances that the .45 might be the way to go but not sure. Thanks
Thinking about a Taurus Millenium Pro
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MICHAEL T
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I think I'd give the 45 a go. say 185gr. HP should work nicely.
JimLally
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MikeJ:
I've owned the Taurus PT-145 Pro for a little over a year and have over 1100 rounds through it (factory, reloads, FMJ's, hollowpoints) without a single malfunction.
I find it very reliable, easy to conceal, and simple to maintain. I make sure that it gets a thorough cleaning and oiling after each and every range outing. I'm really anal about keeping my weapons properly maintained. I was always taught that a properly maintained weapon is a much more reliable weapon.
I also found that the trigger really smoothed out after about 250 - 300 rounds. It's a pleasure to shoot. I also find that I can get very good groups at 10 yards. True, it isn't a long range taget pistol, but that's not what it was designed for. This type of pistol is for close-in, "get me outta here, I'm in real trouble" situations. It does an excellent job in this area.
It is my primary carry weapon. I trust it completely. Having 10+1 capacity of .45 cal that I can easily carry is a major plus. I rotate it with my Taurus 651 .357 revolver (another favorite).
Take care.
Jim
I've owned the Taurus PT-145 Pro for a little over a year and have over 1100 rounds through it (factory, reloads, FMJ's, hollowpoints) without a single malfunction.
I find it very reliable, easy to conceal, and simple to maintain. I make sure that it gets a thorough cleaning and oiling after each and every range outing. I'm really anal about keeping my weapons properly maintained. I was always taught that a properly maintained weapon is a much more reliable weapon.
I also found that the trigger really smoothed out after about 250 - 300 rounds. It's a pleasure to shoot. I also find that I can get very good groups at 10 yards. True, it isn't a long range taget pistol, but that's not what it was designed for. This type of pistol is for close-in, "get me outta here, I'm in real trouble" situations. It does an excellent job in this area.
It is my primary carry weapon. I trust it completely. Having 10+1 capacity of .45 cal that I can easily carry is a major plus. I rotate it with my Taurus 651 .357 revolver (another favorite).
Take care.
Jim
Old Dog
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Go for it. My wife's usual carry is her PT-145 (non-Pro, production date approx. April 2002). It's a wonderfully accurate, totally reliable pistol with little recoil (although a fairly long trigger pull which does take some getting used to). I trust my wife's life to this pistol. If you're gonna own only one plastic pistol ... Great shooter; very underrated. Don't ever believe anyone who tries to tell you Taurus makes second-tier products (I've been a serious shooter and gun-owner for over thirty years -- and in the military for over 25 years -- I've owned, or own: Taurus PT-92 AF, Taurus PT-908, Taurus 85, Taurus PT-145, Taurus PT-945. All worthy handguns.
Colonel Klink
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Here's another satisified owner of a PT245 Pro. I bought a PT 111 and liked it so much I bought the 145. I like the firepower/size package. I have had two
FTF's but overcame each with another trigger pull. Around 550 rounds fired.
FTF's but overcame each with another trigger pull. Around 550 rounds fired.
George S.
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I picked up a PT145 M-P stainless a few months ago and it is a great CCW pistol. I have about 400 rounds thru it right now and have yet to have any sort of failure using 185gr thru 230gr hardball and an additional 100 rounds of Remington GS 230gr JHP's for defense. I did shoot some 185gr +P GS but the recoil was a bit much for me. Groups from a sandbag rest at 15 yards are around 3"-4" and that should be fine for any self-defense needs given that much shorter distance would most likely be involved.
I really like the 10+1 capacity especially because this pistol is not a lot wider than my 1911 or even my Ruger P89. I did add a Hogue slip-on grip for a little better feel and I have had no trouble with inserting the mag or releasing it.
For the $305 I paid, this has to be one of the best gun deals going!!
I really like the 10+1 capacity especially because this pistol is not a lot wider than my 1911 or even my Ruger P89. I did add a Hogue slip-on grip for a little better feel and I have had no trouble with inserting the mag or releasing it.
For the $305 I paid, this has to be one of the best gun deals going!!
wally
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I'm generally biased towards .45ACP, but in shorter barreled CCW I'd opt for .40 S&W. Consider that 180Gr .40 has the same sectional density as 230gr .45 and .40 S&W will give typically 100-150 fps more velocity from the 3-3.5" barrel. Penetration is the third most important thing after Placement and Placement.
I used to think .40 S&W was just a stupid and unnecessay re-invention of the 185gr .45ACP until I realized this. If you think you don't need the "law enforcement" penetration the .40 S&W was designed for -- consider that as a CHL holder odds are if you need a gun you likely will be in your car and need to shoot the jackers from the *inside*.
I picked up a non-pro PT-111 at a slow gun show for a very good price with three mags and liked it enough I gobbled up a PT-145 at the next one. The non-pro model is lighter and was a $40 cheaper. I've been very impressed despite my basic dislike of DAO handguns. Everyone says the Pro models have much better triggers, if true they must be really great.
If I didn't already have a Kahr PM40 I'd have a millenium in .40 caliber, I still may end up with one eventually.
--wally.
I used to think .40 S&W was just a stupid and unnecessay re-invention of the 185gr .45ACP until I realized this. If you think you don't need the "law enforcement" penetration the .40 S&W was designed for -- consider that as a CHL holder odds are if you need a gun you likely will be in your car and need to shoot the jackers from the *inside*.
I picked up a non-pro PT-111 at a slow gun show for a very good price with three mags and liked it enough I gobbled up a PT-145 at the next one. The non-pro model is lighter and was a $40 cheaper. I've been very impressed despite my basic dislike of DAO handguns. Everyone says the Pro models have much better triggers, if true they must be really great.
If I didn't already have a Kahr PM40 I'd have a millenium in .40 caliber, I still may end up with one eventually.
--wally.
Jamie C.
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I've got a 9mm Millennium Pro that I've had since February.
It's gone through more than 500 rounds without a hitch, and puts the holes where I want 'em.
Plus it's small and light enough to carry constantly.
Couple all that with "13 rounds, no waiting", and what more can you really ask for with a carry gun?
P.S. I did have one FTF with it, somewhere around the 400 round mark. I'm pretty sure it was just a dud, in a box of WWB. Haven't had any of the "good stuff" not go off.
J.C.
It's gone through more than 500 rounds without a hitch, and puts the holes where I want 'em.
Plus it's small and light enough to carry constantly.
Couple all that with "13 rounds, no waiting", and what more can you really ask for with a carry gun?
P.S. I did have one FTF with it, somewhere around the 400 round mark. I'm pretty sure it was just a dud, in a box of WWB. Haven't had any of the "good stuff" not go off.
J.C.
Wally said
I'm generally biased towards .45ACP, but in shorter barreled CCW I'd opt for .40 S&W. Consider that 180Gr .40 has the same sectional density as 230gr .45 and .40 S&W will give typically 100-150 fps more velocity from the 3-3.5" barrel. Penetration is the third most important thing after Placement and Placement.
I used to think .40 S&W was just a stupid and unnecessay re-invention of the 185gr .45ACP until I realized this. If you think you don't need the "law enforcement" penetration the .40 S&W was designed for -- consider that as a CHL holder odds are if you need a gun you likely will be in your car and need to shoot the jackers from the *inside*.
I agree. While I am intrigued by the Taurus MilPro 45, I worry about the 3.25" barrel. The shorter the barrel, the less the velocity. The less the velocity, the greater the chance of 1) expansion failure, and 2) inadequate penetration when the round does expand.
If I got a MilPro, I would be very cautious about the ammo I used. I would want ammo that has a wide expansion window, and one that ordinarily penetrated 15" inches thru denim out of a regular length .45 barrel.
I'm generally biased towards .45ACP, but in shorter barreled CCW I'd opt for .40 S&W. Consider that 180Gr .40 has the same sectional density as 230gr .45 and .40 S&W will give typically 100-150 fps more velocity from the 3-3.5" barrel. Penetration is the third most important thing after Placement and Placement.
I used to think .40 S&W was just a stupid and unnecessay re-invention of the 185gr .45ACP until I realized this. If you think you don't need the "law enforcement" penetration the .40 S&W was designed for -- consider that as a CHL holder odds are if you need a gun you likely will be in your car and need to shoot the jackers from the *inside*.
I agree. While I am intrigued by the Taurus MilPro 45, I worry about the 3.25" barrel. The shorter the barrel, the less the velocity. The less the velocity, the greater the chance of 1) expansion failure, and 2) inadequate penetration when the round does expand.
If I got a MilPro, I would be very cautious about the ammo I used. I would want ammo that has a wide expansion window, and one that ordinarily penetrated 15" inches thru denim out of a regular length .45 barrel.
PCRit
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RE:Taurus
I just replaced my PT145 non-Pro (which I really liked) with the single stack (6+1) PT745 M-P. It's very accurate (at 6-10yds, never shot any further than that with it, yet) and has functioned 100%. The single stack gives me more options for summer carry (using Winchester Ranger RA45T) since it is lighter and thinner than the PT145 M-P and just works better for me under a T-shirt. It also weighs less than the current PT111 or PT140 M-P.
I just replaced my PT145 non-Pro (which I really liked) with the single stack (6+1) PT745 M-P. It's very accurate (at 6-10yds, never shot any further than that with it, yet) and has functioned 100%. The single stack gives me more options for summer carry (using Winchester Ranger RA45T) since it is lighter and thinner than the PT145 M-P and just works better for me under a T-shirt. It also weighs less than the current PT111 or PT140 M-P.
MikeJ,
I don't think you can go wrong with any of the modern Taurus'. I own several and they all function as well and shoot as accurately as my more expensive firearms.
My new PT145 is one of my favorite guns and is my constant companion as a BUG behind my primary CCW's. It is the primary CCW while in the office or in church. I can drop it into the front pocket of any pants or most shorts that I am wearing and it literally disappears. I have had several friends ask why I am not carrying while with them and when I pull it out of my pocket to show them they are amazed. I love taking it to the range and shooting the metal plates in our shoot/no shoot rack. Double tapps are easy with this gun. I have yet to have a FTF in several hundred rounds. It is easy to control under rapid fire drills and accuracy is great for such an expensive firearm.
I don't think you can go wrong with any of the modern Taurus'. I own several and they all function as well and shoot as accurately as my more expensive firearms.
My new PT145 is one of my favorite guns and is my constant companion as a BUG behind my primary CCW's. It is the primary CCW while in the office or in church. I can drop it into the front pocket of any pants or most shorts that I am wearing and it literally disappears. I have had several friends ask why I am not carrying while with them and when I pull it out of my pocket to show them they are amazed. I love taking it to the range and shooting the metal plates in our shoot/no shoot rack. Double tapps are easy with this gun. I have yet to have a FTF in several hundred rounds. It is easy to control under rapid fire drills and accuracy is great for such an expensive firearm.
PCRit said
I just replaced my PT145 non-Pro (which I really liked) with the single stack (6+1) PT745 M-P. It's very accurate (at 6-10yds, never shot any further than that with it, yet) and has functioned 100%. The single stack gives me more options for summer carry (using Winchester Ranger RA45T) since it is lighter and thinner than the PT145 M-P and just works better for me under a T-shirt. It also weighs less than the current PT111 or PT140 M-P.
The new Kahr P45 is almost exactly the same weight and length as the Taurus PT-745. Both are 6+1 capacity. Both have long trigger pulls.
The main differences are:
Kahr has a 0.3" longer barrel
Kahr is 10% shorter in height and 10% thinner
Taurus costs $285-300, while Kahr will be $500 or so as a new model
I just replaced my PT145 non-Pro (which I really liked) with the single stack (6+1) PT745 M-P. It's very accurate (at 6-10yds, never shot any further than that with it, yet) and has functioned 100%. The single stack gives me more options for summer carry (using Winchester Ranger RA45T) since it is lighter and thinner than the PT145 M-P and just works better for me under a T-shirt. It also weighs less than the current PT111 or PT140 M-P.
The new Kahr P45 is almost exactly the same weight and length as the Taurus PT-745. Both are 6+1 capacity. Both have long trigger pulls.
The main differences are:
Kahr has a 0.3" longer barrel
Kahr is 10% shorter in height and 10% thinner
Taurus costs $285-300, while Kahr will be $500 or so as a new model
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Thanks guys for the responses. Based on all of the positive comments I have decided to get a Millenium Pro. I still haven't made up my mind as to which caliber. The .45 intrigues me as I have never had a .45 for defensive purposes, a big bullet for close range has its appeal. I own a couple of 1911's but they have just been range pistols. I own a number of 9mm's and am very fond of the caliber and am a firm believer in shot placement with today's modern bullet designs. I've got a Sig 229 in .40 as well as a Glock 23 and love the Sig but not real fond of the Glock, plan to sell it anyway, and at this point feel like going with either the biggest round or the one I am most familiar with (9mm), decisions, decisions. 
Please keep the comments coming particularly regarding caliber in this gun. Mike
Please keep the comments coming particularly regarding caliber in this gun. MikeJamie C.
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MikeJ,
The only difference that I've heard about with Millennium Pros is that the .40 and .45 caliber guns may have a longer trigger pull than the 9mm model does.
I've talked to at least 2 other people, on other boards, that have .40 cal M.P.s, and they claim their guns have extremely long trigger pulls.
And at least one of these folks is a long-time revolver man, and should be quite familiar with double-action triggers.
I've also read the same thing from at least one person with a .45 gun.
Now, I don't know WHY the trigger pull would be longer on the "big bore" M.P.s, or if the people complaining about it just have older guns or something.
What I do know is that my 9mm M.P. has a trigger travel of just a little over a half inch, once the 1/10th of an inch of "slack" is taken up. And it's that half inch or so back to trigger re-set, for the next shot.
I've also heard that the weight of the trigger pull may vary a bit.
Can anybody else shed some light on this? I've not handled all three calibers of M.P., and am curious to whether or not there actually is any difference in the triggers.
And yes, I am talking strictly about the "Pro" models, not the "original" non-Pro Millenniums.
Oh, and as for the calibers themselves.... well... I've yet to meet anyone that I think would just shrug off any one of the three, if it were placed center mass.
So I'm pretty sure that you'll be well-served, no matter what your favorite is.
J.C.
The only difference that I've heard about with Millennium Pros is that the .40 and .45 caliber guns may have a longer trigger pull than the 9mm model does.
I've talked to at least 2 other people, on other boards, that have .40 cal M.P.s, and they claim their guns have extremely long trigger pulls.
And at least one of these folks is a long-time revolver man, and should be quite familiar with double-action triggers.
I've also read the same thing from at least one person with a .45 gun.
Now, I don't know WHY the trigger pull would be longer on the "big bore" M.P.s, or if the people complaining about it just have older guns or something.
What I do know is that my 9mm M.P. has a trigger travel of just a little over a half inch, once the 1/10th of an inch of "slack" is taken up. And it's that half inch or so back to trigger re-set, for the next shot.
I've also heard that the weight of the trigger pull may vary a bit.
Can anybody else shed some light on this? I've not handled all three calibers of M.P., and am curious to whether or not there actually is any difference in the triggers.
And yes, I am talking strictly about the "Pro" models, not the "original" non-Pro Millenniums.
Oh, and as for the calibers themselves.... well... I've yet to meet anyone that I think would just shrug off any one of the three, if it were placed center mass.
So I'm pretty sure that you'll be well-served, no matter what your favorite is.
J.C.
Okiecruffler
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I bought a PT145 a few weeks ago, I've put 600rds thru it with out a single failure, so it now rides my hip in the spot formerly occupied by my Taurus 650.
However, I was at the shop yesterday picking up another mag for it ($36, jeez
) and a guy was in there throwing a fit because his hadn't been returned from sending it back to replace a broken spring. He almost had me on his side until he said, "Hell, it's been 5 days already!"
However, I was at the shop yesterday picking up another mag for it ($36, jeez
) and a guy was in there throwing a fit because his hadn't been returned from sending it back to replace a broken spring. He almost had me on his side until he said, "Hell, it's been 5 days already!" Marshall
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Get the .45 ACP. In that gun it makes a great "get of my belly" pistol! Heck, it holds 11 of the darn things.
You cant go wrong with the Mil Pro. I bought the Mil Pro PT 145 a week or so ago and am well pleased with it. There is a lot of firepower in a small pistol. Reciol is not bad at all for a 45.Have shot 300 rounds and no problems at all. The gun fits my hand perfect and has a good solid feel to it.Can be easily concealed. Field stripping is also easy to do. The gun is about as accurate as can be for a short barreled gun. Am going to get lisence to carry mine.
Grayrock
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Another vote of confidence in the PT-145 Mil PRO. I've had mine for almost 3 years now. Never a hiccup. I tested lots of different ammo and the one it likes best is the Taurus Total Copper cartridges. I bought 2 extra mags for it and loaded them all with the Taurus hollow points. It rides well in a Smart Carry holster with an extra mag- can't tell I'm carrying even in only a bathing suit (not that I go swimming with it- but being polymer/stainless, I guess I could!)
Taurus Mil. Pro
Has anybody experienced the magazine releasing while firing their Mil. Pro? My brother recently purchased a Mil. Pro in 9mm and has had this happen to him on occasion. The magazine release spring seems strong enough and I can only surmise that the manner in which he is grasping the pistol is contributing to the problem.
Any advice concerning this question would be appreciated. Having a magazine come loose at the wrong moment is not something you want to have happen!
Has anybody experienced the magazine releasing while firing their Mil. Pro? My brother recently purchased a Mil. Pro in 9mm and has had this happen to him on occasion. The magazine release spring seems strong enough and I can only surmise that the manner in which he is grasping the pistol is contributing to the problem.
Any advice concerning this question would be appreciated. Having a magazine come loose at the wrong moment is not something you want to have happen!
Waitone
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My baby daughter packs a PT-145. Very feminine. Plays nicely with a Don Hume IWB clip-on.
Hate to be the lone objector... but...
I owned a Taurus Millenium Titanium 9mm (PT111Ti). Got rid of it before ever shooting it, and glad to be rid of it.
Factory new it had broken sights, stripped sight threads (someobdy at the factory used/forced the wrong screw, which stripped the threads and split the polymer sights). The screw was so long it pinned the barrel so it wouldn't move in the slide, and wouldn't disassemble. When I called and asked how it could have possibly been test fired, I was told by Taurus "we test fire them BEFORE we put the sights on, test firing is just pointing at a backstop, not aimed".
It took 6 MONTHS+ :banghead: and multiple go-rounds with Taurus "customer support"
to try and get it made right; they were using the same bad parts repeatedly. Finally went to a gunsmith and had him re-do a front sight setup for it at my expense, and traded it.
I've gotten to shoot the PT111 Stainless in 9mm since, and found it to be mediocre in accuracy and recoil control, but functional.
I was smitten by the small size, sleekness, light weight AND manual safety :banghead: , but I won't own anything made by a company who advertises such a fantastic product and especially warranty, then is such a bunch of uncaring/incompetent bozos when THEY produce a bad gun.
The only Taurus I have now is a model 85, and that is going bye-bye soon.
Buy a Keltec P11, Beretta (Cougar or 9000s)/Kahr MK9 for (more or less) the same money. You are trusting your life not just to that much plastic (the other choices have that too), but to the people machining/assembling/repairing them too. And those people are unskilled, jerks, or both.
Run! Run like a dog....
I owned a Taurus Millenium Titanium 9mm (PT111Ti). Got rid of it before ever shooting it, and glad to be rid of it.
Factory new it had broken sights, stripped sight threads (someobdy at the factory used/forced the wrong screw, which stripped the threads and split the polymer sights). The screw was so long it pinned the barrel so it wouldn't move in the slide, and wouldn't disassemble. When I called and asked how it could have possibly been test fired, I was told by Taurus "we test fire them BEFORE we put the sights on, test firing is just pointing at a backstop, not aimed".
It took 6 MONTHS+ :banghead: and multiple go-rounds with Taurus "customer support"
to try and get it made right; they were using the same bad parts repeatedly. Finally went to a gunsmith and had him re-do a front sight setup for it at my expense, and traded it.I've gotten to shoot the PT111 Stainless in 9mm since, and found it to be mediocre in accuracy and recoil control, but functional.
I was smitten by the small size, sleekness, light weight AND manual safety :banghead: , but I won't own anything made by a company who advertises such a fantastic product and especially warranty, then is such a bunch of uncaring/incompetent bozos when THEY produce a bad gun.
The only Taurus I have now is a model 85, and that is going bye-bye soon.
Buy a Keltec P11, Beretta (Cougar or 9000s)/Kahr MK9 for (more or less) the same money. You are trusting your life not just to that much plastic (the other choices have that too), but to the people machining/assembling/repairing them too. And those people are unskilled, jerks, or both.
Run! Run like a dog....
Jamie C.
Member
"I won't own anything made by a company who advertises such a fantastic product and especially warranty, then is such a bunch of uncaring/incompetent bozos when THEY produce a bad gun."
I'm guessing you'll probably never own a Glock either, then... 
Oh, and on the first Millennium I owned, here a few years ago ( A non-Pro ), it had steel sights.
But maybe they do something different with the Ti guns....
J.C.
I'm guessing you'll probably never own a Glock either, then...
Oh, and on the first Millennium I owned, here a few years ago ( A non-Pro ), it had steel sights.
But maybe they do something different with the Ti guns....
J.C.
wally
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Why would anyone buy any gun with obvious defects? Didn't you at least look at it before doing the transfer paperwork and handing over your cash?
--wally.
--wally.
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MikeJ,
A couple of years ago I stopped in at one of my favorite gun shops. They had a PT145 on the wall, "NEW, UNFIRED". Tried it in my big hands and it was like it was made for me. This gun was very seductive and kept saying things like, "Buy me", "Take me home with you", "I feel so good in your hands", well you get the idea, if I had my check book with me I would have bought it on the spot.
I reluctanly came home empty handed and did some research. The original PT145's had a frame cracking problem, I believe it was on the right side in the rear. Now, don't get me wrong, I am not bashing the PT145 or Taurus. They kept replacing the bad ones and improving the design until they got it right.
I believe that the "Pro" never had the problem, but you might check the Taurus boards. I also believe that the non pro starting with the serial numbers beginning with "VU" are also OK.
Like I say, it has been a couple of years so the serial numbers may be off a bit. I still thing this was one of the best feeling guns I have ever held and there may be one in my future yet.
Good Luck and let us know what you decide.
DM
A couple of years ago I stopped in at one of my favorite gun shops. They had a PT145 on the wall, "NEW, UNFIRED". Tried it in my big hands and it was like it was made for me. This gun was very seductive and kept saying things like, "Buy me", "Take me home with you", "I feel so good in your hands", well you get the idea, if I had my check book with me I would have bought it on the spot.
I reluctanly came home empty handed and did some research. The original PT145's had a frame cracking problem, I believe it was on the right side in the rear. Now, don't get me wrong, I am not bashing the PT145 or Taurus. They kept replacing the bad ones and improving the design until they got it right.
I believe that the "Pro" never had the problem, but you might check the Taurus boards. I also believe that the non pro starting with the serial numbers beginning with "VU" are also OK.
Like I say, it has been a couple of years so the serial numbers may be off a bit. I still thing this was one of the best feeling guns I have ever held and there may be one in my future yet.
Good Luck and let us know what you decide.
DM
Hypnogator
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I've had my PT-145 Millennium Pro for a couple of years now, and am completely satisfied with it. Bought a couple of spare mags from CTD (which is where I got the gun originally), and all 3 magazines work flawlessly. Initially had a problem with failure to go completely to battery, usually on the 3rd round, but that disappeared when I started using a little slide glide on the guide rails. (Checked it recently -- works fine dry, now. Apparently just needed breaking in.)
Compact, powerful, accurate, easy to maintain. What more can you ask for?
Compact, powerful, accurate, easy to maintain. What more can you ask for?
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