Schleprok62
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Just out of curiosity... hometheatreman, how many 22's do you currently own? How many have you owned?
Thinking about getting a .22, either 10/22 or a CZ 452
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mr.trooper
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If dont understand how people can "think" about getting a .22.
If you dont already have one, your doing something wrong. Get one. Eitehr of those choices will serve you well.
* 10/22 is more customizable
* CZ will be more accurate out of the box, and fire a wider variety of ammo.
just pick one. Either one. your behind the curve by not having one.
If you dont already have one, your doing something wrong. Get one. Eitehr of those choices will serve you well.
* 10/22 is more customizable
* CZ will be more accurate out of the box, and fire a wider variety of ammo.
just pick one. Either one. your behind the curve by not having one.
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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+345234534, CZ 452 is the way to go!
Y'know, neither one is a bad choice. The CZ is a definite step up from the Ruger in terms of accuracy and finish, but the 10/22 is not one of the world's (perhaps the world's?) most popular 22 rifles for nothing. It's strong, reasonably accurate, and its magazine functions reliably with few of the loading 'hitches' that affect some semi-auto .22s.
If you want to compare a Ruger to the CZ 452, I would suggest the 77/22 is a better match. FWIW, I can say this:
(1) I have owned a 77/22 for over 20 years. I like the rifle, and have no regrets about buying it. However, If I were making the choice today, I would pick the CZ 452 Lux;
(2) I do not feel so strongly about the issue that I am considering selling the 77/22 and obtaining a 452 Lux.
Ultimately, you pays your money and you takes your choice.
P.S. All this stuff about customizing is rather a red herring. A good rifle shouldn't need any tuning or customizing; that's essentially what makes it a good rifle. Most of the after-market accessories for the 10/22 are just gimmicks: at best a waste of money, at worse a 'dumbing down' of the rifle that degrades its performance.
If you want to compare a Ruger to the CZ 452, I would suggest the 77/22 is a better match. FWIW, I can say this:
(1) I have owned a 77/22 for over 20 years. I like the rifle, and have no regrets about buying it. However, If I were making the choice today, I would pick the CZ 452 Lux;
(2) I do not feel so strongly about the issue that I am considering selling the 77/22 and obtaining a 452 Lux.
Ultimately, you pays your money and you takes your choice.
P.S. All this stuff about customizing is rather a red herring. A good rifle shouldn't need any tuning or customizing; that's essentially what makes it a good rifle. Most of the after-market accessories for the 10/22 are just gimmicks: at best a waste of money, at worse a 'dumbing down' of the rifle that degrades its performance.
Vern Humphrey
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My rifle is a Kimber M82 and I use it for long range squirrel hunting -- or short range. An accurate rifle is a definite asset when shooting squirrels.
I also used to compete in Mexican Silhouette -- until so many people started using rule-beaters, like chin guns, bloop tubes and so on.
I also used to compete in Mexican Silhouette -- until so many people started using rule-beaters, like chin guns, bloop tubes and so on.
You might want to try one of these: http://www.savagearms.com/markiiclassic.htm
Savage in known for accuracy and these are a great looking gun and made here in the USA.
Savage in known for accuracy and these are a great looking gun and made here in the USA.
Vern Humphrey
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A chin gun is one with a stock designed to be held against the chest, so the shooter rests his chin on the comb. A bloop tube is a tube around the barrel, changing balance without using a barrel longer than allowed by the rules.
BENELLIMONTE
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You might want to try CZ 513 BASIC the simplified version of CZ 452 featuring beechwood stock without checkering, hammer forged barrel with tangent iron sights and simple non adjustable trigger. I bought mine at Boise Gun Co. a few years ago for around $220.00 it is a very accurate rifle for the price.
Ruger 10/22T Target Laminate Stock is the one I bought at Impact Guns last year for $350.00 This is a bit more accurate than my CZ but needs cleaning much more often to keep it functioning well.
Hope this input helps with your decision making process.
Ruger 10/22T Target Laminate Stock is the one I bought at Impact Guns last year for $350.00 This is a bit more accurate than my CZ but needs cleaning much more often to keep it functioning well.
Hope this input helps with your decision making process.
I have a BRNO number 1 which is the CZ's ancestor. Mine was built in 1947. Shots 1/2 inch 50 yard groups all day long with just about any ammo I feed it. I have shot a wide range of target grade .22 rifles including a few that were > $2,000 and these do shoot better than the BRNO but only by a small margin and the BRNO is about the nicest .22 sporting rifle I have ever shot. Original stock was a usable but not real attractive birch stock that was not well suited to optical sites. I restocked it with a nice fancy grain walnut stock and it looks about as nice as anything you could buy new for under $600. I paid about $60 for the rifle and the stock blank cost me $35. If the new CZ's shoot anything like my BRNO then you will really like the CZ.
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i've had a cz452 varmit, 17hmr for 6 years. what a rifle. if you get one with 3/8 dovetail, redfield rings fit perfect. i use the x high with a 4-16 x 42. cz doesnt make rings for 3/8.
I guess I could take a photo of it and post it some where but I don't have one on hand.
I should add a few more things about the BRNO #1 and other BRNO .22 rifles of this same area that are based on the same action.
1. These are almost all old enough to be C&R. As such at the time I purchased mine it was a fill out the paper work pay my money and walk out the door sort of affair. Being in California I didn't even have to do a 10 day wait.
2. Other than the stock on the #1 the only other part of these that is at all "cheap" is the stamped sheet metal trigger guard. Every thing else is machined steel with a high level of workmanship and quality although the finish is only so so compared to commercial rifles. Much higher quality than I expected from a military training rifle from a communist country and comparable to other military trainers of that era like the Winchester 52 & 67 and the H&R .22s.
3. Many of the parts will interchange with current CZs including the magazines. BRNO sold the tooling and design to CZ.
4. I purchased my BRNO back when these first started showing up here so I paid much less than what these go for now. So don't expect to find one for $60 unless it is in horrible condition. In addition these were not produced in large quantities and I think production was only about 65,000 units total. Most of these are selling for a little over $300 now days. So it is likely cheaper to get a new CZ,
5. The design was commissioned by the German government during WWII and the original units, of which there were only a handful produced, where dressed up to look and feel like K98 mousers. Production stopped at that point even though there was a significant parts inventory on hand as production resources were diverted to producing K98s and other arms for the battle field. Most of the post war production based on this action was to assemble rifles from these parts.
Unrelated to BRNO/CZ is something that no one mentioned about bolt vs. semi auto. Semi autos will limit what types of ammo you can shoot. A bolt gun will function with just about anything you feed it. For example in a bolt gun you can shoot shorts and cap type loads. Many semi autos will not let you do this. So in this regard the bolt gun is more versatile.
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Unless the Classic Rimfire is different , every Savage rimfire I have seen in recent years has been made in Canada. Not saying the rifle is not a good one.
You can modify a 10/22 to shoot almost as well as a CZ - for about twice the cost.
Probably not hard to get twice the cost of a CZ if you want to add everything under the sun for a 10/22.
I bought a 10/22 Deluxe walnut in 2005 ($249) and a Volquartsen barrel ($150) and it has actually turned out to be my most accurate 22lr for a total of $399. Really does not take thousands to get one to shoot well.
And not knocking the CZs as I have one of the "old" 452 Specials , now known as Trainers and a nice walnut 452American. Briefly owned a Lux in 22 mag for while too.
In the end I like both rifles - would not part with either of my CZs or either of my 10/22s!
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If you are looking for accuracy and want to use iron sights, go with the CZ 452 (Lux) they have the best iron sights going. If you want a scoped bench rifle go with a ruger 10/22T (target model) install a scope and bi-pod and you are good to go. However....if you are looking for a FUN plinker...get a Henry Lever action. I have all 3 and wouldn't trade any of them!
when i was looking for a Marlin 39a, they were almost twice what i paid for my CZ 452 American. i was willing to pay it, just couldn't find one in stock
22-rimfire
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A lot of us love our rimfires!! Great discussion. I can't add much to the discussion, but I know and expect the Ruger 10/22 to shoot worse than most other factory rifles out of the box. But I still own one.
The choice depends on what your intended use and budget is as well as your expectations.
As far as CZ's go relative to a 10/22, I think you are comparing apples and oranges. Both have very good attributes and both function pretty well. I honestly prefer the Savage Mark II Classic which is about the same price as the CZ453. Again I have both (452), so it is just my opinion.
I like them ALL!!!! MY vote is for one of EACH!
If you want accuracy in a self loader out of the box, choose the TC R-55 or find an old Weatherby Mark XXII (semi). But that is changing the thread topic.
The choice depends on what your intended use and budget is as well as your expectations.
As far as CZ's go relative to a 10/22, I think you are comparing apples and oranges. Both have very good attributes and both function pretty well. I honestly prefer the Savage Mark II Classic which is about the same price as the CZ453. Again I have both (452), so it is just my opinion.
I like them ALL!!!! MY vote is for one of EACH!
If you want accuracy in a self loader out of the box, choose the TC R-55 or find an old Weatherby Mark XXII (semi). But that is changing the thread topic.
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