in my glock 23. i chose the 23 over the 19 because i discovered that a 23 can be either a 32 or 19 (19 with a little more modification). So i am unhappy with the accuracy to say the least with the 40 in the compact frame. it bucks like a mule coupled with the fact that the stock sights are less than disirable at best. I want this thing to be a tack driver. I want it to be fun as hell at the range. so i am going with a 357 sig barrel and probably some new sights!
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two tone, I'd start with the new sights before I put the money down on a new bbl. I'd also use the money you were going to spend on that bbl. to buy some 40 S&W ammo and practice. A nicer set of sights than the plastic ones Glock supplies are a good idea. Switching to 357 SIG if you can't handle 40 S&W is not. The 357 SIG will recoil at least as bad the 40 S&W. That Glock already is tack driver, you just need to spend some time getting used to the recoil and you'll be fine.
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ugaarguy-Has a very good point.
The .357 sig kicks at least as much as the .40 The ballistics have the cartridge coming out faster then the .40 in some cases. When I first had my forty [it has a 4 inch barrel] I did not shoot as well as I wanted too and did not enjoy it. It just took some time and practice. I took too shooting 165gr winchester fmj for practice very accurate round and does not kick as much as most. [I have a Taurus which has the double recoil spring. I am not familar with glock but understand they are quite accurate once you get used to them] For home protection or self sefense you can then use the remington 165 gr golden saber or winchester 165 gr sxt both excellent defensive rounds. I love shooting my .40's now! I can tear the hell out of the middle of the splatter target at about 25 feet with rapid fire its a lot of fun. Accuracy is very good still at the 25 yard distance. The best of luck to you!
Take Care!
The .357 sig kicks at least as much as the .40 The ballistics have the cartridge coming out faster then the .40 in some cases. When I first had my forty [it has a 4 inch barrel] I did not shoot as well as I wanted too and did not enjoy it. It just took some time and practice. I took too shooting 165gr winchester fmj for practice very accurate round and does not kick as much as most. [I have a Taurus which has the double recoil spring. I am not familar with glock but understand they are quite accurate once you get used to them] For home protection or self sefense you can then use the remington 165 gr golden saber or winchester 165 gr sxt both excellent defensive rounds. I love shooting my .40's now! I can tear the hell out of the middle of the splatter target at about 25 feet with rapid fire its a lot of fun. Accuracy is very good still at the 25 yard distance. The best of luck to you!
Take Care!
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I like the 357 sig over the 40 S&W. To me, the 40 feels snappy and unfun. The 357sig has an honest to goodness "BOOM" when you shoot it, has a kick to it (but totally manageable) and apparently VERY VERY accurate!
Two-tone,
I shot close to 1000 rounds through my G22 .40 S&W before I bought a 357 sig barrel. I found the .40 to be extremely accurate. Much more so than my .40 HK USP Compact. I have not found the 357 sig to be any more accurate. Don't get me wrong, it is accurate and a fun round to shoot. Just no more so than the .40 S&W. It is also a challenging and fun round to reload.
I shot close to 1000 rounds through my G22 .40 S&W before I bought a 357 sig barrel. I found the .40 to be extremely accurate. Much more so than my .40 HK USP Compact. I have not found the 357 sig to be any more accurate. Don't get me wrong, it is accurate and a fun round to shoot. Just no more so than the .40 S&W. It is also a challenging and fun round to reload.
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I don't think the caliber is the problem. Just spend more time working on fundamentals with your .40, or get a 9mm and work your way back up to your .40 perhaps. 
The accuracy potential of 357 SIG may be slightly better than 40SW, but only if you are a very, very good shooter. For most casual or combat type shooting and at most ranges, the nut behind the grip is going to make more difference than the chambering.
thanks you all for the responses!
I am a new pistol shooter and could use more practice! Actually, the gun has about 1500 rounds through it as well a professional trigger polish. I practice once a week at the range with the glock as well as a tangfilo fullsize 9mm that is a tack driver. i think the range is 15 yards and i can do 3-4inch groups pretty easly with it. However when i shoot the glock i feel less confident because the sights seem to obstruct the entire target! the front sight on the tangfilo is what would call a dovetail (thin and a little tall). however i admit either gun can recoil pretty hard if i accidently limp rist it. haha. I guess everytime i go to the range i am going to shooting about 100 9mm and 50 .40. although i can shoot 250 rounds of .40 no problem.
I am a new pistol shooter and could use more practice! Actually, the gun has about 1500 rounds through it as well a professional trigger polish. I practice once a week at the range with the glock as well as a tangfilo fullsize 9mm that is a tack driver. i think the range is 15 yards and i can do 3-4inch groups pretty easly with it. However when i shoot the glock i feel less confident because the sights seem to obstruct the entire target! the front sight on the tangfilo is what would call a dovetail (thin and a little tall). however i admit either gun can recoil pretty hard if i accidently limp rist it. haha. I guess everytime i go to the range i am going to shooting about 100 9mm and 50 .40. although i can shoot 250 rounds of .40 no problem.
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I've only had the chance to shoot a 32 and 33 once, and I was very impressed by their accuracy.
If ammo prices were not sooooo expensive I too might venture over to the .357sig.
Having said that, a hot 9mm almost equals the .357sig in power and costs less money.
Steve
If ammo prices were not sooooo expensive I too might venture over to the .357sig.
Having said that, a hot 9mm almost equals the .357sig in power and costs less money.
Steve
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The Glock is a combat handgun and isn't inherently designed to be a tackdriver.....just "minute of man".
A dovetail refers to the shape of the bottom of the sight .....and how the sight mounts on the slide's sight groove.
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While battering the 9mm......
If you want the speed of .357 Sig buy a gun built for it. Don't start shooting +p+ thru your 9mms.
BTW: I love .357 Sig. I own a Sig P229, a Sig P226ST, A Glock G32 and a HK P2000SK all chambered in .357 Sig. It is my favorite range and carry caliber.
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9mm +p+ exists ecause there are guns that will handle it. Most modern service type 9mm pistols are designed to handle frequent use of the 124gr NATO spec round which is considerably hotter than standard commercial ammo. Occasional use of 9mm +p+ in a modern handgun in good working order is not a problem. If one prefers to shoot the hotter ammo more frequently shock buffers and heavier recoil springs are readily available.
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Come on now, there is absolutely no difference between a Glock 17 and a Glock 31 besides the barrel. They both use the same recoil spring weight, as do all/most of the Glocks.
Am I going to batter my Glock 17 shooting 1-200 rounds of +P+ through my gun per year to verify that it functions fine? Hell no...
I'm pretty sure that the continous use of .357sig in a gun is by far worse on a gun than a few +P+ 9mm rounds.
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To counter your Glock argument.
How about a Sig P229? You can buy a .357 model and buy a factory .40 barrel and a Barsto 9mm barrel and have a 3 caliber weapon. You can't take a P229 model in 9mm and do the same.
How about a Sig P229? You can buy a .357 model and buy a factory .40 barrel and a Barsto 9mm barrel and have a 3 caliber weapon. You can't take a P229 model in 9mm and do the same.
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Yes indeed.....the G17 and a G31 are not the same animal.
I have never understood why Glock chooses to use the same recoil springs (G33 and G26, G19 and G32, G17 and G31) in their .357 Sig and their 9mm offerings. The slide velocity is very different.
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Of course not. So one range trip a year one can obtain .357 Sig performance thru their 9mm. I prefer it's performance everytime I carry and go to the range.
Also....have you compared the cost of .357 Sig to 9mm +p+ ammo recently...not sure I see the savings in the +p+ stuff.
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Gents...I apologize. Not trying to turn this into another my caliber vs your caliber argument.
I love .357 Sig and shoot it well.
I also have a safe full of 9mm, 45 ACP, 40 S&W, 357 Mag, 38 Special offerings that I also enjoy owning/shooting.
Sorry if I stepped on a toe or two.
I love .357 Sig and shoot it well.
I also have a safe full of 9mm, 45 ACP, 40 S&W, 357 Mag, 38 Special offerings that I also enjoy owning/shooting.
Sorry if I stepped on a toe or two.
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Brian, dont feel bad, there seem to be a lot of 9mm people here and across the net that dont like the 357SIG. For some reason they seem threatened by the round and constantly cry about it, and the crys against it are usually incorrect internet ramblings.
I agree 110% with your "If you want the speed of .357 Sig buy a gun built for it. Don't start shooting +p+ thru your 9mms". I'd like to see where in the manuals of all those 9mm guns where they recommend or even allow +P+ use and will cover it under warranty.
I recently emailed Speer with a question on the difference between the 357SIG and the different 9mm rounds and got this reply...
"The 9mm is a 35,000 psi, +P is
38,500 psi and +P+ is 40,000 psi. The 357 SIG is a 40,000 psi.
Bullets of the same weight will approximate the same velocities in SIG and +P+. The difference is gun construction, all 9mm's will not handle +P+. All of the 357 SIG's are made to handle the pressures for the caliber."
I think I'll email Glock, and the other major makers customer service and ask if their guns will take a constant diet of the +P+ 9mm and see what they have to say. Any takers that they will recommend it?
I also agree with practicing with ammo that is at the same power level as what you carry. Whats the point in doing otherwise, its not helping you? Do you fire .38 wadcutters out of your .357 snubbie, declare yourself a well trained shooter and then load it up with +P .357 rounds and put it in your pocket? If the difference doesnt matter, why not just use a .22, it would be a lot cheaper.
Speaking of price, 357SIG ammo is cheaper than +P, or +P+ 9mm if your going to practice with what you carry. In reality, the practice stuff is only a couple of bucks a box more than standard 9mm, so the difference isnt quite as dramatic as is so often repeated.
All you 9mm boys can do what you want, hey, its your gun and your money and no skin off my ass, I dont care one way or the other. It would be nice if y'all got your facts straight though, before you start going off about it all. If the boy wants to go on up or down to the 357SIG, he ought to be able to get good info on it, so he can make a realistic decision, instead of mis-information based on someones dislike of it, and from some of the comments, obvious lack of any real experience with it at all.
I agree 110% with your "If you want the speed of .357 Sig buy a gun built for it. Don't start shooting +p+ thru your 9mms". I'd like to see where in the manuals of all those 9mm guns where they recommend or even allow +P+ use and will cover it under warranty.
I recently emailed Speer with a question on the difference between the 357SIG and the different 9mm rounds and got this reply...
"The 9mm is a 35,000 psi, +P is
38,500 psi and +P+ is 40,000 psi. The 357 SIG is a 40,000 psi.
Bullets of the same weight will approximate the same velocities in SIG and +P+. The difference is gun construction, all 9mm's will not handle +P+. All of the 357 SIG's are made to handle the pressures for the caliber."
I think I'll email Glock, and the other major makers customer service and ask if their guns will take a constant diet of the +P+ 9mm and see what they have to say. Any takers that they will recommend it?
I also agree with practicing with ammo that is at the same power level as what you carry. Whats the point in doing otherwise, its not helping you? Do you fire .38 wadcutters out of your .357 snubbie, declare yourself a well trained shooter and then load it up with +P .357 rounds and put it in your pocket? If the difference doesnt matter, why not just use a .22, it would be a lot cheaper.
Speaking of price, 357SIG ammo is cheaper than +P, or +P+ 9mm if your going to practice with what you carry. In reality, the practice stuff is only a couple of bucks a box more than standard 9mm, so the difference isnt quite as dramatic as is so often repeated.
All you 9mm boys can do what you want, hey, its your gun and your money and no skin off my ass, I dont care one way or the other. It would be nice if y'all got your facts straight though, before you start going off about it all. If the boy wants to go on up or down to the 357SIG, he ought to be able to get good info on it, so he can make a realistic decision, instead of mis-information based on someones dislike of it, and from some of the comments, obvious lack of any real experience with it at all.
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Brian, no toes stepped on here. I shoot most hangun calibers and own several. I was trying to point the merits of the hotter 9mm loadings in their niche; and they are a niche. I think somehow we drifted into a discussion of 357 SIG vs. 9mm, rather than helping the OP with good info on whether there was any accuracy adavantage to 357 SIG vs. 40 S&W.
In regards to calling each other "boys" and some of the other language in this thread, let's all try to respect each other. We're adults and can refer to each other as ladies, women, men or gentlemen; not girls and boys. As for the other language
http://www.thehighroad.org/code-of-conduct.html
I'd hate to see us get in an arguement and cause a Mod to close this thread. There's a good discussion of the merits of a few major handgun calibers, let's be civil and keep that discussion open.
Respectfully,
"Uga"
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two tone
I response too what you last said. Your shooting accuracy is very good. One thing I have learned that may help. In combat shooting you just use the front sight to aim. When I started to do that at the range, my shooting improved. Just see where you are placing your bullets at certain distances. Is it above, below or right where the front sight hits. It may sound stupid, but I only aim with the front sight now. Also, sometimes just going back to the basics, such as just using only the pad of your index finger to pull the trigger gives a person more control over the recoil of the gun. I hope the 165gr loads help. A lot of the 155 grain personal protection loads can have quite a recoil, but the federal 155 gr hydra-shok is very easy recoil. I shoot with the 165 gr winchester fmj for practice- they are only a little over 17.00 at Wal-Mart for 100 rounds. And in the .40 you cannot really get any better then the 165 Remington Golden Saber or 165 gr Winchester SXT for personal protection they are highly accurate and deadly loads. I wish I knew more about the .357 sig but I have no experience there. I have started going to Tactical [5 inch] barrels on my .40's for the increase in ballistics. It probably affords a little more accuracy too. I hope this helps. Have a good one!
The Best to you and yours!
I response too what you last said. Your shooting accuracy is very good. One thing I have learned that may help. In combat shooting you just use the front sight to aim. When I started to do that at the range, my shooting improved. Just see where you are placing your bullets at certain distances. Is it above, below or right where the front sight hits. It may sound stupid, but I only aim with the front sight now. Also, sometimes just going back to the basics, such as just using only the pad of your index finger to pull the trigger gives a person more control over the recoil of the gun. I hope the 165gr loads help. A lot of the 155 grain personal protection loads can have quite a recoil, but the federal 155 gr hydra-shok is very easy recoil. I shoot with the 165 gr winchester fmj for practice- they are only a little over 17.00 at Wal-Mart for 100 rounds. And in the .40 you cannot really get any better then the 165 Remington Golden Saber or 165 gr Winchester SXT for personal protection they are highly accurate and deadly loads. I wish I knew more about the .357 sig but I have no experience there. I have started going to Tactical [5 inch] barrels on my .40's for the increase in ballistics. It probably affords a little more accuracy too. I hope this helps. Have a good one!
The Best to you and yours!
thanks again everyone for your responses. I dont mind either that the thread moved a little into the 9mm vs. 357 sig discussion because afterall its one of my favorite topics. have you seen what Doubletap is putting out for the 357 sig lately?! Ballistics : 1550fps / 614 ft. lbs. 4"bbl
right now i have a 100 count box of remington 180 grain JHP that was purchased at Wal mart for 23.99. so if you really wanna pracice with what you shoot then i think that would be hard to beat! of course the winchester 165 grain FMJ is a good practice load but sometimes Wal mart has only either 165's or the 180's. i guess it helps to stock up when you can! Anyways i totaly agree about the glock being a combat handgun and the sights are very good at say...seven yards.
anybody ever heard about torque not horsepower winning a race?
right now i have a 100 count box of remington 180 grain JHP that was purchased at Wal mart for 23.99. so if you really wanna pracice with what you shoot then i think that would be hard to beat! of course the winchester 165 grain FMJ is a good practice load but sometimes Wal mart has only either 165's or the 180's. i guess it helps to stock up when you can! Anyways i totaly agree about the glock being a combat handgun and the sights are very good at say...seven yards.
anybody ever heard about torque not horsepower winning a race?
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Guys,
I never meant to say that 9mm was a .357sig. Like I said in my post, I really enjoyed shooting a Glock 32 and 33 and eventually wouldn't mind having one.
Right now ammo costs keep me from buying one, hopefully down the road money will be no problem and i can have any caliber I want.
At this time, I enjoy shooting a light kicking 9mm and appreciate the fact that i can load it with rounds that approximate the .357 for self defense.
I guess I was wrong that the frames on the Glocks 17/22/31 are the same, I guess you learn something new all of the time.
Steve
I never meant to say that 9mm was a .357sig. Like I said in my post, I really enjoyed shooting a Glock 32 and 33 and eventually wouldn't mind having one.
Right now ammo costs keep me from buying one, hopefully down the road money will be no problem and i can have any caliber I want.
At this time, I enjoy shooting a light kicking 9mm and appreciate the fact that i can load it with rounds that approximate the .357 for self defense.
I guess I was wrong that the frames on the Glocks 17/22/31 are the same, I guess you learn something new all of the time.
Steve
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I reload for 357SIG and people always ask me what im shooting.The report from a hot 357 sig is very different than a 9 or 40.
I am very accurate with 357 sig loads and prefer to batter a barrel designed for it than over pressurizing a 9mm barrel
I reload for 357SIG and people always ask me what im shooting.The report from a hot 357 sig is very different than a 9 or 40.
I am very accurate with 357 sig loads and prefer to batter a barrel designed for it than over pressurizing a 9mm barrel
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