This could be the best exposure Pro-2nd Amendment folks get

[usmarine0352_2005]

One committed a violent felony and gets a diversion program. One committed a victimless crime accidentally. Doesn't seem fair. This just might be the kind of exposure this women and 2nd Amendment advocates need to expose the irrational gun control laws in New Jersey and other places to the general population.



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/09/1...let-ray-rice-walk-tossing-book-at-single-mom/

Uneven playing field? Judge, prosecutor who let Ray Rice walk toss book at single mom

By Joshua Rhett Miller
Published September 10, 2014


Shaneen Allen wants to know what makes her so different from Ray Rice.

Allen, a 27-year-old Philadelphia mother who says she mistakenly entered New Jersey with a handgun legally registered in her state, was not accepted into a pre-trial intervention program, unlike the former Baltimore Ravens running back who was caught on an elevator surveillance camera punching his then-fiancée and current wife. The disparate decisions, made by the same prosecutor and approved by the same judge, leave Allen facing more than three years in prison and Rice free, though disgraced.

Atlantic County prosecutor Jim McClain recommended Rice for the program in May, months after denying the single mother's application. And Superior Court Judge Michael Donio, who signed off on the agreement that spared Rice jail time, denied a motion by Allen's attorney to force McClain to reconsider.

 

[stchman]

Because Ray Rice is a wealthy high profile professional athlete. Shaneen Allen is NOT a wealthy high profile professional athlete.

Life isn't always fair. Hopefully Shaneen Allen goes to trial by jury and the jury votes not guilty.

 

[230RN]

A "jury of her peers" will not be found in New Jersey. "Half" of them commute to NYC every day and carry the anti virus around with them.

Maybe that's something the Center for Disease Control (CDC) ought to look into.

 

[mugsie]

If you believe anyone "convicted" of a gun crime, as this woman has been, will ever get a fair trial on a level playing field, then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you!

Nothing is going to change. They are going to nail this poor woman to a wall in order to make a point. Unless this country wakes up, and gets out and votes in this coming election, votes conservative, and throws out these liberal idiots, we are all doomed.

Want to change things? Then campaign like you've never campaigned before. Toss out those you can and the others? Write, call and constantly let your opinions be known. There's no other way.

 

[usmarine0352_2005]

And she's a fighter. So if she's found guilty she could keep appealing this case to SCOTUS.

 

[Red Wind]

A "jury of her peers" will not be found in New Jersey. "Half" of them commute to NYC every day and carry the anti virus around with them.

Maybe that's something the Center for Disease Control (CDC) ought to look into

Agree with this opinion,100%
Her chances are slim to none.

The Garden State will set no precedent (for them) here. Gotta keep that 300 year old tradition of corruption and outrageous going.

 

[Warp]

It doesn't matter.

Most of those with power (and guns) don't want us plebeians to have guns.

Example: Plaxico Burress. He caught the game winning Superbowl TD and was later sent to prison for carrying a handgun in a no-no state.

It isn't about being rich or famous or an athletes, it's about those in power not wanting people to have guns.

 

[627PCFan]

Part of being a gun owner is being responsible and knowledgeable. She failed at least one. Granted the rules are not fair, but those are the rules.

 

[TomJ]

Part of being a gun owner is being responsible and knowledgeable. She failed at least one. Granted the rules are not fair, but those are the rules.

627PCFan,
I understand that she violated the law, but the punishment for a non-violent offender who, based on everything I've read, is no threat to others and made a simple mistake is not proportionate to her crime. Sending her to prison serves no valid purpose and benefits no one. That they would take a mother away from her children for this is more of a crime than what she did.

 

[Rio Laxas]

Thank you for posting this. It served as reminder to donate to her legal defense fund.

http://gogetfunding.com/project/shaneen-allen-legal-defense-fund

 

[Bezoar]

its gun related. so she forgot she couldnt take the gun into that state. OOPS. hey, should have read the laws...

But the thing is, if shed have had been arrested with a kilo of crack, shed get less time.

 

[JERRY]

its far from fair, but it is NJ. I predict she will get the felony conviction, lose her RKBA, but be sentenced to probation with a hefty fine, no time to serve.

 

[627PCFan]

"I've read, is no threat to others and made a simple mistake is not proportionate to her crime."

I agree, however in this case "not being a threat" and a simple mistakes are still felonies.


"Sending her to prison serves no valid purpose and benefits no one."

I think they State of NJ DA has expressed it does serve a purpose. It makes an example of someone, this time on a national scale so they can taut their "Strong gun laws"

 

[Willie Sutton]

There are deeper layers here.

This is about Chris Christie and the opportunity to score points against him for the upcoming presidential race. Nothing more and nothing less.

Christie has previously granted pardons to firearms owners caught up in NJ's arcane laws. A conviction of this woman will give him a choice:

Pardon her (and seem weak on gun control, thus giving the Dems "points")

Not pardon her (and seem weak on the RKBA, this giving the Dems "points" by reducing support among gun owners)


This is EXACTLY what was at stake when the legislature sent up the package of "common sense" laws. It's NOT about what it seems to be about. You guys are playing checkers while the machine is playing chess.


Willie

.

 

[230RN]

^ That brings up a question I've had for a while. Can the Governor of one State pardon one of his State's residents for an offense committed in another State?

I thought it was a dumb question, but the more I thought about it, the more I wondered about "pardons" in general. Didn't one President grant some kind of "universal" pardon for all the offenders in a previous President's scandals?

Terry

 

[BLB68]

its far from fair, but it is NJ. I predict she will get the felony conviction, lose her RKBA, but be sentenced to probation with a hefty fine, no time to serve.

If convicted, there's a minimum 3 year sentence, no parole.

 

[BLB68]

Thank you for posting this. It served as reminder to donate to her legal defense fund.

http://gogetfunding.com/project/shaneen-allen-legal-defense-fund

From that site:

"Despite the fact that Allen voluntarily presented her carry license to the police in conjunction with a routine traffic stop, as per her training…"

Emphasis added. If this is true, then she was not trained well. There's no duty to notify in PA.

 

[lxd55]

From that site:

"Despite the fact that Allen voluntarily presented her carry license to the police in conjunction with a routine traffic stop, as per her training…"

Emphasis added. If this is true, then she was not trained well. There's no duty to notify in PA.

I do and I live in Georgia. It can keep you from getting killed.

 

[GRIZ22]

Christie hasn't pardoned anyone for gun offenses. He gave Brian Aitken a commutation which released him from prison. He beat the gun possession and high capacity magazine charges on legal technicalities on appeal and was still in prison for possession of hollowpoints. If you make yourself aware of the entire Aitken story he is far from 2A poster boy.

A chief executive can only pardon someone for a conviction In their jurisdiction. Allen can only be pardoned by Christie or POTUS who can pardon anyone for any crime in the US.

 

[Field Tester]

It doesn't matter.

Most of those with power (and guns) don't want us plebeians to have guns.

Example: Plaxico Burress. He caught the game winning Superbowl TD and was later sent to prison for carrying a handgun in a no-no state.

It isn't about being rich or famous or an athletes, it's about those in power not wanting people to have guns.

I'd say that had more to do with Mr. Burress accidentally shooting himself in a very crowded area and Bloomberg making it his pet project more than anything.

 

[Field Tester]

^ That brings up a question I've had for a while. Can the Governor of one State pardon one of his State's residents for an offense committed in another State?

I thought it was a dumb question, but the more I thought about it, the more I wondered about "pardons" in general. Didn't one President grant some kind of "universal" pardon for all the offenders in a previous President's scandals?

Terry

GRIZ has the correct answer.
And yes, several mass pardons have been given.
Johnson after the Civil War
Ford for Nixon and a few others after Watergate
Carter for the draft dodgers in Nam
G.H.W. Bush 6 of Reagan's staff involved in the Iran-Contra Affair
Clinton did around 140 in his final days
G.W. Bush did for the whole Scooter Libby scandal (commuted actually)
And Reagan and every President since "Pardoning" a turkey shortly before Thanksgiving

 

[Ky Larry]

Same old, same old. Money talks.

 

[230RN]

@Field Tester, GRIZ:

Thanks, that was helpful.

Terry

 

[BLB68]

I do and I live in Georgia. It can keep you from getting killed.

If your state has a duty to notify requirement, then you should definitely do so.

If your state doesn't, then not notifying will not get you killed. That's hyperbole. You're carrying concealed, right? Most police officers don't randomly shoot people at traffic stops.

If some interaction at the stop might expose your weapon, then you'll probably want to let the officer know before hand that you're carrying with a valid permit.

Otherwise, why bother? Now at a minimum, you've put the officer on guard, maybe even made him jumpy. Maybe he'll want to hold on to your weapon for his own safety during the stop. Maybe he'll decide to clear the weapon to make it safe. There are far more things that can go wrong with that scenario than simply keeping your mouth shut and giving the officer your DL and registration, getting your ticket (or warning, if you're lucky), and moving on.

 

[Warp]

I do and I live in Georgia. It can keep you from getting killed.

I don't and I live in Georgia.

If you get killed, it's not because you didn't volunteer that information, it's because you did something else (or many other things) terribly wrong. Most likely.