This guy is brilliant, insane or both
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johnbirch
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No wonder my ears have been burning! Just got turned on to this thread and thought I'd join in.
One thing you should know is that there is no way I'm going to trapped into having to say "I am not a racist." If someone calls me a racist I will simply give them an opportunity to apologize.
I did a lot of hard thinking before I took on the NAACP. I well know the risks and this may blow up in my face andindeed hurt the cause. But I don't believe it will and certainly if I were to take counsel of my fears I would be inneffective at gun rights advocacy.
Illinois gun owners are in a de facto state of war with our state government. We are relentlessly felony arrested for trivial violations of gun laws that would be a warning any place else. You do not know even 1/10th of the cases I am called to advise on. So am I willing to fight? You betcha and the rest of Illinois gun owners seem to have had enough too.
In the 18 APR 2003 Concealed Carry News I updated what is going on with the NAACP. My readers already got the update, those interested can check out:
http://www.concealcarry.org/naacp.htm
So far the press has shown no interest in this story. Either they have deemed it not newsworthy, which is their right, or this is one story they just don't want reported for editorial reasons. I have no inside knowledge either way.
Thank you for the comments you have shared and read them all.
One thing you should know is that there is no way I'm going to trapped into having to say "I am not a racist." If someone calls me a racist I will simply give them an opportunity to apologize.
I did a lot of hard thinking before I took on the NAACP. I well know the risks and this may blow up in my face andindeed hurt the cause. But I don't believe it will and certainly if I were to take counsel of my fears I would be inneffective at gun rights advocacy.
Illinois gun owners are in a de facto state of war with our state government. We are relentlessly felony arrested for trivial violations of gun laws that would be a warning any place else. You do not know even 1/10th of the cases I am called to advise on. So am I willing to fight? You betcha and the rest of Illinois gun owners seem to have had enough too.
In the 18 APR 2003 Concealed Carry News I updated what is going on with the NAACP. My readers already got the update, those interested can check out:
http://www.concealcarry.org/naacp.htm
So far the press has shown no interest in this story. Either they have deemed it not newsworthy, which is their right, or this is one story they just don't want reported for editorial reasons. I have no inside knowledge either way.
Thank you for the comments you have shared and read them all.
Waitone
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Johnbirch,
Communicate with NewMax.com They tend to like bristles first grassroots actions.
Communicate with NewMax.com They tend to like bristles first grassroots actions.
Thanks for responding Johnbirch.
The NAACP has crossed the line with their own racist agenda.
It seems they want African Americans to be disarmed victims
and don't think they are responsible enough to care for themselves.
I think what you are doing is courageous and exposes the true hipocrisy of the anti-gun movement and their true motives.
I wonder if the NAACP leaders have armed bodyguards?
The NAACP has crossed the line with their own racist agenda.
It seems they want African Americans to be disarmed victims
and don't think they are responsible enough to care for themselves.
I think what you are doing is courageous and exposes the true hipocrisy of the anti-gun movement and their true motives.
I wonder if the NAACP leaders have armed bodyguards?
Another vote for brilliant. The only racism I see is from the NAACP, along with the implication that their constituents are too stupid or violent to act responsibly with a firearm. I don't know any black gun-owners that fall into those categories. I'm sure there are people of every race that do.
As far as reflecting poorly on gunowners - come on, we're stereotyped as redneck white militia by most of the media. Is this going to make it any worse?
I don't see a downside, unless the overall intelligence of the US has fallen so low that the majority of the people of any race can't see the satire.
What will the NAACP do? Sue him for discrimination because he followed their wishes or admit they were wrong?
Should be an interesting outcome.
As far as reflecting poorly on gunowners - come on, we're stereotyped as redneck white militia by most of the media. Is this going to make it any worse?
I don't see a downside, unless the overall intelligence of the US has fallen so low that the majority of the people of any race can't see the satire.
What will the NAACP do? Sue him for discrimination because he followed their wishes or admit they were wrong?
Should be an interesting outcome.
No one in this world, so far as I know- and I have researched the records for years, and employed agents to help me- has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.
-H.L. Mencken
-H.L. Mencken
Monkeyleg
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John Birch is doing what I've,for some time, quietly hoped someone would do: call the liberals/activists on their hypocritical bluffs.
This isn't confined to the Chicago area. A large dealer here in Milwaukee constantly makes news stories because guns the shop sold wind up in the hands of criminals. "Community leaders" and the press come down hard on the shop, but fail to acknowledge that the area nearby has declined and become gang-infested. So, if they sell to gang-banger-looking types, they're vilified. If John Birch's idea catches on, the owners of the shop might have a real fun time with the idea.
This isn't confined to the Chicago area. A large dealer here in Milwaukee constantly makes news stories because guns the shop sold wind up in the hands of criminals. "Community leaders" and the press come down hard on the shop, but fail to acknowledge that the area nearby has declined and become gang-infested. So, if they sell to gang-banger-looking types, they're vilified. If John Birch's idea catches on, the owners of the shop might have a real fun time with the idea.
Btw, I think he's brilliant.
I just think there are too many clueless people in the world for the whole thing to work as smoothly as it ought to.
pax
Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and consciencious stupidity. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
I just think there are too many clueless people in the world for the whole thing to work as smoothly as it ought to.
pax
Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and consciencious stupidity. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
MeekandMild
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Sorry to disagree but this is ONLY brilliant IF there is sufficient press coverage. I suspect the Chicago newspapers and radio stations have already gotten the word to keep a tight lid on this, a total blackout.
You'll never hear another peep about this unless Walter Willaims or some other high profile national Black columnist takes it to heart.
You'll never have the American Poverty Law Center or ACLU suing you, never have the NAACP shaking your hand. They will ignore it like they have ignored Jesse Jackson's married churchman father and teenage unwed mother for the past fifty years.
Sorry, its the truth.
There might be a hope however if we all, with the author's permission started emailing this out to our friends, both the ones who understand the irony and the ones likely to be offended, with the idea of giving it a wider audience. What do you say?
You'll never hear another peep about this unless Walter Willaims or some other high profile national Black columnist takes it to heart.
You'll never have the American Poverty Law Center or ACLU suing you, never have the NAACP shaking your hand. They will ignore it like they have ignored Jesse Jackson's married churchman father and teenage unwed mother for the past fifty years.
Sorry, its the truth.
There might be a hope however if we all, with the author's permission started emailing this out to our friends, both the ones who understand the irony and the ones likely to be offended, with the idea of giving it a wider audience. What do you say?
< Can you see how this is racism? >
No.
I believe Birch is engaged in a form of satire (or reductio ad absurdum as another respondent suggested).
If you are arguing that some people won't "get it" -- that, essentially, John Birch's turnabout will go over their heads -- that they will take his statement too literally and miss the point of the exercise -- then you may be right.
If you are arguing that an article like this one could be misunderstood by liberal idiots and thus ultimately work against gun owner rights, then you may be right (but I doubt it.)
But if you're saying you honestly believe that Birch is a racist, or that this statement of his belies a racist agenda, then I don't agree.
In the same article, Birch says his preferred strategy if for all citizens -- including blacks -- to have the right to defend themselves and their communities with firearms. That's hardly racist.
Then again, maybe his turnabout went over your head too
No.
I believe Birch is engaged in a form of satire (or reductio ad absurdum as another respondent suggested).
If you are arguing that some people won't "get it" -- that, essentially, John Birch's turnabout will go over their heads -- that they will take his statement too literally and miss the point of the exercise -- then you may be right.
If you are arguing that an article like this one could be misunderstood by liberal idiots and thus ultimately work against gun owner rights, then you may be right (but I doubt it.)
But if you're saying you honestly believe that Birch is a racist, or that this statement of his belies a racist agenda, then I don't agree.
In the same article, Birch says his preferred strategy if for all citizens -- including blacks -- to have the right to defend themselves and their communities with firearms. That's hardly racist.
Then again, maybe his turnabout went over your head too
Darrin
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Deary me, that is brilliant! Once I caught on to Mr. Birch's plot, I couldn't stop laughing.
This will get emailed to a few people.
This will get emailed to a few people.
Monkeyleg
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One thing that should be pointed out about John Birch's strategy is something that has been pointed out about "real" conservative strategies in the past: the liberals will hate them, no matter what. Reach out, try to engage the ultra-liberal left by compromise, and you get your head handed to you.
The folks who blindly follow the NAACP, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, Chuck Schumer, Hillary et al are never going to like us. They're never going to give an inch of the ground they hold.
Thus, it makes no difference if "they" perceive John Birch as a racist, to the extent that he can afford to suffer financially.
They hate us. Always have, always will.
So be it.
The folks who blindly follow the NAACP, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, Chuck Schumer, Hillary et al are never going to like us. They're never going to give an inch of the ground they hold.
Thus, it makes no difference if "they" perceive John Birch as a racist, to the extent that he can afford to suffer financially.
They hate us. Always have, always will.
So be it.
pax, thank you.
Perhaps I should have said "Dogs that bite bark loudest when bit." or "People who live in glass houses shouldn't cast stones." or ...
I'd also like to say to Mr. Birch, thank you. I wish that I had been smart enough to have thought of something like this myself. Except for the fact that I don't have an FFL or a gunshop.
I honestly do not believe that there really is a "racism problem" with the average people in the US. Only the "problem" that the "civil rights" leaders have created in order to keep themselves in power and the people who have a vested interest in keeping them there or the fools that have bought into their rhetoric.
It is brilliant people like yourself with ploys like this that will eliminate our "racism problem".
Perhaps I should have said "Dogs that bite bark loudest when bit." or "People who live in glass houses shouldn't cast stones." or ...
I'd also like to say to Mr. Birch, thank you. I wish that I had been smart enough to have thought of something like this myself. Except for the fact that I don't have an FFL or a gunshop.
I honestly do not believe that there really is a "racism problem" with the average people in the US. Only the "problem" that the "civil rights" leaders have created in order to keep themselves in power and the people who have a vested interest in keeping them there or the fools that have bought into their rhetoric.
It is brilliant people like yourself with ploys like this that will eliminate our "racism problem".
tommytrauma
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KarlG
You're seeing what you have been conditioned to see. I would feel safe wagering that Mr. Birch has done more to support the rights of blacks, at least in the second amendment arena, then you can ever hope to do. As far as this being "racist rhetoric" goes, he simply did an excellent job of exposing the racism inherent in the NAACPs stance.
You owe the man an apology, and he's here to accept it. Are you man enough to offer it?
Does it hurt when your knee jerks that hard?
You're seeing what you have been conditioned to see. I would feel safe wagering that Mr. Birch has done more to support the rights of blacks, at least in the second amendment arena, then you can ever hope to do. As far as this being "racist rhetoric" goes, he simply did an excellent job of exposing the racism inherent in the NAACPs stance.
You owe the man an apology, and he's here to accept it. Are you man enough to offer it?
johnbirch
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An update effective 19 APR 2003 has been posted at
www.concealcarry.org/naacp.htm
I am pleased to say a second gun dealer is now part of our ban on sales to blacks. We hope others join in soon.
As to someone's suggest that they need my permission to pass my program around, it's not necessary to have my permission. Anything on my web site is fair game for anyone as long as there is proper attribution.
www.concealcarry.org/naacp.htm
I am pleased to say a second gun dealer is now part of our ban on sales to blacks. We hope others join in soon.
As to someone's suggest that they need my permission to pass my program around, it's not necessary to have my permission. Anything on my web site is fair game for anyone as long as there is proper attribution.
Lord Grey Boots
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Hmm, interesting. It does sound like a reasonable action to take in direct response to the threat of the lawsuit.
"We are suing you because you are doing X"
"Okay, we will stop doing X".
What else can anyone expect the gunshops to do in this case?
Keep doing the action they are being sued for?
I do think gun shops that participate will have to post some sign that says something like.
"DUE TO THE LAWSUIT INITIATED BY (whomever), WE CAN NO LONGER SELL FIREARMS TO AFRICAN-AMERICANS. WE ARE SORRY FOR THIS, AS AFRICAN-AMERICANS HAVE RIGHTS AND NEEDS FOR SELF-DEFENSE AS STRONG AS ANYONE ELSE. THIS WAS NOT OUR CHOICE, BUT WAS FORCED UPON US. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DISCUSS THIS WITH THE GUN SHOP STAFF, AND THEY WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ON HOW TO HELP THE FIGHT AGAINST THE LAWSUIT".
"We are suing you because you are doing X"
"Okay, we will stop doing X".
What else can anyone expect the gunshops to do in this case?
Keep doing the action they are being sued for?
I do think gun shops that participate will have to post some sign that says something like.
"DUE TO THE LAWSUIT INITIATED BY (whomever), WE CAN NO LONGER SELL FIREARMS TO AFRICAN-AMERICANS. WE ARE SORRY FOR THIS, AS AFRICAN-AMERICANS HAVE RIGHTS AND NEEDS FOR SELF-DEFENSE AS STRONG AS ANYONE ELSE. THIS WAS NOT OUR CHOICE, BUT WAS FORCED UPON US. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DISCUSS THIS WITH THE GUN SHOP STAFF, AND THEY WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ON HOW TO HELP THE FIGHT AGAINST THE LAWSUIT".
Jeff Thomas
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I agree ... brilliant political satire. Let the retrogrades chew on this one.
Regards from TX
Regards from TX
johnbirch
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Thank you all for some good advice. In particular Don Gwinn and Lord Grey Boots who will find their work on our newly redesigned web page. This new web page I believe will make it much easier to comprehend the mission we have embarked on to save what little of our gun rights we have left.
www.concealcarry.org/naacp.htm
www.concealcarry.org/naacp.htm
Don Gwinn
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If you're truly outraged about John's decision, I suggest you call the NAACP and ask them when they intend to do about it!
1 (877) NAACP-98 toll free.
1 (877) NAACP-98 toll free.
Jim March
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Mr. Birch,
There's some interesting commentary by a black civil rights activist in New Jersey name of Leonard Whitley here:
http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=3312
It's in the form of a forward and afterward to Clayton's "Racist Roots of Gun Control". HIGHLY recommended for anybody interested in this subject, and for that matter whoever is defending against the NAACP legal attack should put Leonard on the stand!
There's some interesting commentary by a black civil rights activist in New Jersey name of Leonard Whitley here:
http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=3312
It's in the form of a forward and afterward to Clayton's "Racist Roots of Gun Control". HIGHLY recommended for anybody interested in this subject, and for that matter whoever is defending against the NAACP legal attack should put Leonard on the stand!
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