This is how the Mossberg 100 ATR Night Train should look like

[MinnMooney]

from TechBrute (post 25) :

Not impossible, just impossible to be credible on the Internet.

Statistically, it's much more likely that the poster is exaggerating than Mossy putting out a .25moa rifle.

I am also of the "disbelieving" persuasion. I see that some posters believe it 'cause the "targets" are there for all the world to see. Well............. I have many targets with 5-shot groups at 100 yards that are 0.25, 0.30 & 0.19 but they are the rarity and I don't post (brag about) the rarities. Those pics are 3-shot groups which is what people shoot who know that their rifle isn't capable of nor consistant enough for a great 5-shot group. Three-shot groups mean absolutely nothing to me and shouldn't to any real accuracy shooter. they are nothing more than a possible indicater of an accurate rifle but are more than likely just compensating errors.

Sorry............... I think way too many internet marksmen are marksmen ONLY on the anonomous internet. "Yeah, my RemWinSavFAL shoots 0.00002" at 500 yards all day long... as long as I do my part." Well, I think that they've just NEVER done their part.
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from 30Mag (post 34) :

tight groups with just a little trigger work, free floating and good glass.

Trigger work - yes. Free-floating - Yes. Good glass - not necessary at all (at 100-200 yards). I shoot 300 meter F-Class with several scopes that cost between $75 & $900. My scores are 585 - 598 with absolutely no correlation to which scope is being used.
Anything over 300 meters and I'd start using whichever glass that crisps & defines my bullseyes the best.

 

[Dave P]

Psst, Yarik: measure your groups in inches or MOA - not both. They are not the same.

".5" MOA" does not compute.

 

[LoonWulf]

My take on it is that if yarik says his gun does .25s then it does untill somebody proves otherwise, rare yes, extremely rare maybe not, i dont know mossbergs. I have a E.R Shaw barreled 700 in 6x47 that will happily out shoot me, and an old savage 110 with a new savage .300wm barrel that will easily group under 1" if i can keep from flinching.
And as for putting a new stock on his rifle if it makes him happy then great, im happy he chose to show it off even tho i cant see the pictures here at work LOL. Besides, its a stock if it dosent work there are 2 little screws to change it back to the way it was.

 

[MinnMooney]

from LoonWulf (prev. post) :

My take on it is that if yarik says his gun does .25s then it does untill somebody proves otherwise

No. Saying something that's bordering on preposterous does not make it so and proving otherwise is not a possibility since this is an anonymous forum.
Benchrest shooters who use extreme-build rifles and ammo that so precise that it may only fit that particular chamber and every aspect of everything that goes into that shot is engineered and exact, are sometimes happy to see a 0.20" group on all but windless days.
When some mall ninja with an out-of-the-box, $500 WhizBang rifle writes that he shoots 1/4" groups with Winchester white box ammo "all day long as long as I do my part" then it's time for HIM to prove it - otherwise there's a 99.9% chance that's it's BS.
Most of the time I pass right over these comments and go to the next because I know that whatever else he says isn't worth the time it takes to read it. I should have done the same with this thread. Life's too short to waste time on braggers and exageraters.

 

[LoonWulf]

So, i take it that youd have to have a video of the shooter with no cut aways to believe what hes saying? I still say if you cant prove hes not telling the truth the just leave it unsaid. But what ever, everybody is intitled to there own opinion.

 

[MinnMooney]

I didn't start the conversation with, "I don't think you can shoot consistant 1/4" groups with a $500 rifle that hasn't been tuned, trued or otherwise accurized and with factory ammo." The OP said that he could and after watching 1000's upon 1000's of shooters at my range over these past many years who could not shoot like that, I chose to not believe him. My range has a "stock rifle" bragging board for just such instances. It has to be witnessed and cannot be some exotic benchrest or rail gun. There are a few that have 0.10" - 0.25" groups but the shooter usually adds a comment like, "This is my best after 10 years of shooting!"
THAT'S why I choose to be a disbeliever on anonymous forums.

If the OP shot 2 or 3 groups of 1/4" after putting 40-50 groups downrange (AND ADMITTED IT), then I'd tend to believe him but that is not what was posted.

And you're correct........ "To each, his own."

 

[yarik72]

If the OP shot 2 or 3 groups of 1/4" after putting 40-50 groups downrange (AND ADMITTED IT), then I'd tend to believe him but that is not what was posted.

I guess you missed the pictures where I have two quarter inch 5 shot groups right next to each other and several other groups that are very close to quarter inch. I've put more than 40-50 groups downrange and I collect only the targets that are significant to me. Do I feel the need to collect every quarter inch target I get and post them online? No, because I have my first ones and that's all I need. I'm not trying to convince anyone into believing anything. I thought the forum would appreciate to know there are accurate Mossberg rifles out there. I'm happy there are skeptics here otherwise everyone would believe everything that's on the internet. I shared a few targets and I know that they are true and I have no reason to lie.

Psst, Yarik: measure your groups in inches or MOA - not both. They are not the same.

".5" MOA" does not compute.

Psst, Dave P: give me a break I was learning.

 

[47dodge]

Yarik 72..nice gun and nice shooting..
I was just searching the net and wanted to see if i had the only good shooting 100atr in 30-06...Not by a long shot....you have a good one...
My 30-06 stock has been filed where i felt it was too close to the barrel and i took my craytex and die grinder and worked over that trigger and modified the spring to have less trigger pull....With the stock scope (Bushnell) i was shooting at 110 yards outdoors with rice bag for a rest..hornady 3031 bullet and 52.5 gr of imr 4064...Ok here goes my BS..as some call it..first 2 shots side by side and .25" apart center to center measured with dial calipers..then the 3rd would always go right between the 2 but open up the group to .500"
this is with no resting time except to see where the bullets landed and to mark it on a sheet of paper beside me..i do this after each shot fired

my scope broke so i got a centerpoint 4x16x40...the gun was cleaned well and i went shooting again...groups were not the normal .25" apart but seemed every one was a flier ....well the group was .990".4 shots..

I set it down and played with my 10fp in 308 for a couple hours..then picked up the mossberg to put it away..i had 4 rounds left..well i shot all of them back to back...maybe 40-60 seconds between rounds...HHHMMM .550" group.
that is the way it usually shoots

windy oklahoma days BTW...seems the barrel likes to be shot a few times after cleaning. to tighten my groups....

Any way you slice it the guns will shoot..i got a crow at 236 yards hit right center chest...got a deer at 275 and hit right where i was aiming..along with a yote at 30
If you practice that is what you will get....

get this-- my savage 10fp with accutrigger in 308 24" barrel cant shoot that good yet....Could be the huge crosshairs of the nikon buckmaster..they cover 3/4" numbers at 100 yards..good crosshairs for hunting big stuff

Just my 2 cents..
now time to surf this forum

 

[acedk82]

Stock

How did you get that stock did you have to send it to them?

 

[Arkansas Paul]

Jesus, he didn't say that every time he shot, it was a quarter inch group. He said the rifle will do it. I don't see what's so hard to believe. My dad has an ATR in .30-06 and it shoots MOA. I've never got a quarter inch group out of it, but I'm not that great of a shot either.

ok ive ben shooting for years and years and year, chasing the ''bug hole'' group, ive come close but never with a walmart 3006

I've damn sure got a Wal Mart .30-06 that will do it. Its a Weatherby Vanguard and I got it for only $390. The factory target was one hole, and I've done it on numerous occasions myself. Believe it or not.

 

[xxjumbojimboxx]

Nic shootin... im not patient enough to shoot like that... if it crcks the skull its a good shot.. thats a six inch target at least! All that matters

 

[Gtscotty]

That's a nice shooting rifle! What was the significance of the comment in your first link about the bolt not flying into your face because you welded it? Is bolt breakage a common complaint with the ATRs?

 

[ugaarguy]

Acedk82, you may want to see if Yarik72 is still active over on the precision rifle forums. His last activity here was nearly three years ago, or about the time this thread was last active.