This Is What I Call Self Defense

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I'm normally not for lethal force(I am for protecting yourself with a gun but I'd rather shoot someone to detain rather than kill) but that man deserved what he got.
 
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Good to hear, and believe, that Justice isn't always blind..

Adrenaline, mixed with fear, the need of, protection of ones self, or family, makes for a powerful weapon.. (of choice)

I wish the man, and his daughter/family a, continued, good, safe, life..


Ls
 
I am for protecting yourself with a gun but I'd rather shoot someone to detain rather than kill
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A little off topic but may I suggest you do some reading on both the tactical and legal implications of saying and doing things like that. You'll dig a hole you might never get out of.
 
It's a bad idea to post just a link- links go dead, go out of date, etc. At least be kind enough to post a synopsis of the material at the link, especially if the link is to high bandwidth stuff like online video.

Thanks,

lpl
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http://www.theindychannel.com/news/17599147/detail.html

Prosecutor: No Charges In Sex Offender Strangling

Brizzi Says Father Who Strangled Home Invader Justified

POSTED: 1:17 pm EDT October 1, 2008

INDIANAPOLIS -- The Marion County Prosecutor's Office said Wednesday that no charges will be filed in the strangling of a man who broke into a home with the intention of sexually assaulting a 17-year-old girl.

David Meyers, 52, died after a struggle with the girl's father, Robert McNally, 64, early Sunday morning.

Prosecutor Carl Brizzi said McNally acted in defense of his daughter and that charges were not warranted because of the nature of the incident.

Meyers was pronounced dead shortly after officers arrived following a report of a home invasion in the 3500 block of West 79th Street at about 3:20 a.m.

Officers said they found McNally, 64, on the floor with his arm around the neck of Meyers, struggling to hold him down. When officers told McNally he could let go, they found that Meyers was unresponsive.

The Marion County coroner ruled on Monday that Meyers had been strangled.

Indianapolis police Sgt. Matt Mount said Meyers had come into the home naked, except for a mask and latex gloves and was carrying a rope, knife, condoms and a gag.
 
I'd rather shoot someone to detain rather than kill
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How do you "detain" someone by shooting them? Unless you're Spiderman and are "shooting" them with some kind of web, I don't understand.

If you shoot somebody and they run away, you haven't "detained" them.

If you shoot somebody and they CAN'T run away, you haven't "detained" them, you've endangered their life, albeit possibly justifiably. If they're "detained" long enough, they may bleed to death, go into shock, etc. And even if he can't run away, that doesn't mean he's no longer dangerous. Just because he can't run doesn't mean he can't SHOOT.

I wouldn't shoot somebody to "detain" them. I would shoot them because they're doing something to put me in immediate, credible fear of life and limb, and I need to stop them from doing what they're doing RIGHT NOW.

Shooting people is deadly force. Except in places which authorize the use of deadly force to protect property under specified circumstances, deadly force should only be used to counter deadly force.

I will shoot to stop your immediate and credible threat to my life and limb. Unfortunately for you, all of the most reliable means of quickly and efficiently stopping such a threat entail an elevated chance of your DEATH. Once you cease to be a threat, I will stop shooting you. Of course by that time, you could very well be dead or dying. That's why you shouldn't unlawfully put people in reasonable fear of immediate threat to life and limb.
 
guy got what he deserved. I have no tolerance for rapists/molesters, and would have done the same, that is if I found myself unarmed.

By the way, shoot to kill; no one to sue you afterwards.
 
By the way, shoot to kill
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No, you shoot to stop. I'd rather not kill someone, just make sure they can't kill me.
If we have to play the legal angle, then you face less liability if he survives.
But I'm not going to kill someone who is no threat to me out fear of a lawsuit.
 
Officers said they found McNally, 64, on the floor with his arm around the neck of Meyers, struggling to hold him down. When officers told McNally he could let go, they found that Meyers was unresponsive.

The Marion County coroner ruled on Monday that Meyers had been strangled.
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Huh...??

He was struggling to hold down a corpse?

Man, that just reads really weird.
 
Guy got exactly what he deserved.

IMO Shoot to Kill and Shoot to Stop(The threat) are the same. If this guy is a threat to my life, he continues to be a threat to my life even after he has been shot. Not saying I'm going to execute him if he's laying on the floor bleeding, but, as long as he is vertical, rounds are coming at him. And even when he hits dirt, if he has a gun, and is capable of moving arm/finger, he's still a threat.

As for there being less liability if he survives, I really don't believe that. Dead men tell no tales. Not saying I'm going to lie, but nothing prevents him from doing so. The way I feel is if he does something that gets me to the point of having to shoot him, then I plan on killing. If he survives, great, go face justice, if not, no skin off my nose.
 
I don't know anybody or have ever heard of anyone who's leg got taken off by a 12GA that ran away, also I've been informed that if shot below the waist in TX it's not considered attempted murder.
 
I don't know anybody or have ever heard of anyone who's leg got taken off by a 12GA that ran away,
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If you shoot somebody's leg off, you haven't "detained" him. Unless he's got a medical team following him around (and probably regardless), you've pretty well killed him.
 
I'm assuming at this point (yes, I know what the word really means) that all the 'shoot to kill' stuff is posted out of an excess of inexperience bordering on ignorance. However, knock it off anyway.

Arrant bloodthirstiness or a 'headhunter' attitude WILL get one banned from here, most rickytick.

No joke.

lpl
 
IMO Shoot to Kill and Shoot to Stop(The threat) are the same.
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No, they are not. There is a risk of him dying if I ever have to shoot, but the goal is just for me to survive. If he survives, I consider that a double win, and I will even go so far as to call an ambulance for him. I really don't want to kill anyone, and although it beats dying, I would still rather have him survive.


Dead men tell no tales.
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Ever hear of "forensic evidence."?
 
I cannot imagine the level of rage a father would feel coming on someone setting out to rape his baby girl. Surprised the scumbags head was still attached. Creep got better than what he had coming hope the daughter did not have to witness any of it. Hope the father & family heals soon
 
A stranger in the house wearing nothing but a mask and latex gloves, carrying a knife, condoms, and a gag...


Thankfully, that individual will NEVER again have the opportunity to terrorize ANY other family.


May his name be forgotten and his grave go unvisited.
 
Indianapolis police Sgt. Matt Mount said Meyers had come into the home naked, except for a mask and latex gloves and was carrying a rope, knife, condoms and a gag.
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Reminds me of that Dirty Harry movie where Harry tells Hizoner, "When a man is running after a naked woman down an alley and all he is wearing is a butcher knife and a hard on, I shoot the bastard."
 
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