THIS JUST HAPPENED, S(ALMOST)HTF

[LAK]

Use a case. Especially avoid using brown paper bags

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[bruss01]

I always approach a clerk first and tell him I have a pistol/rifle in my car that I'd like to bring into the store for them to look at.

Same here. I don't want any surprises. I was never told this, just figured I didn't want to get anyone's adrenaline up without good reason. They usually say "sure fine, just make sure it's unloaded". Then I bring in the locked hard case and unlock it in front of them and open it where they see the gun with slide locked back and mag well empty. It has made for good warm fuzzies all around. Local gun store (hunting stuff mostly) tells me about 1 gun in 3 that comes thru the door is loaded. Scary, especially since in this state they are not legally allowed to be transported in that condition.

 

[Manedwolf]

I let the clerk know as well. Then I go back to my car and bring it in in a bag with the slide locked back, so when I take it out, it's obvious it's not in a condition to fire.

 

[Digital Falcon]

I have only ever had to take handguns into the shop, either to find a good holster or to have it looked at by a smith. In each case I have brought the gun into the shop in the case and let the store employee open the case and inspect the gun before I even touch it.

The clown pulling a gun from behind his back, in my opinion, clearly didn’t think before he acted and almost caused a great deal of commotion for it. Let us hope he learned something from it.

 

[mrmeval]

It's pretty crude to assault someone over language in an informal environment. I wish grammer nazi's would go do that in a biker bar.

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Quote english nazie:
PS: If you want to avoid people making fun of your posts, post with decent grammar. Not trying to insult you, just to give you a heads up.

I believe English isn't armedpolak's first language.

 

[SolaScriptura139]

PS: If you want to avoid people making fun of your posts, post with decent grammar. Not trying to insult you, just to give you a heads up.

If the mods hadn't deleted a few responses, everyone would understand why I posted what I did. Tellner posted a response which seem to be making fun of his grammar. And the post has been recently edited to fix the grammar (the original grammar was lacking to the point of it barely being legible, hence the whole schpiel about the grammar). I've talked with ArmedPolak and he wasn't offended. I know english isn't his first language, and politely informed him what made it grammatically incorrect. I was trying to help him so he could avoid any possible Low Road comments in the future. Tellner has apologized for the way his post came off as and the whole matter is done with.

It's pretty crude to assault someone over language in an informal environment. I wish grammer nazi's would go do that in a biker bar.

It's also pretty crude to waste bandwidth spouting off about something you don't even have all the facts about.

 

[justashooter]

reminds me of the time some fool vendor at a gunshow shouted at me, "hey, check this out". as i turned to face him, he pulled a gun from an inside the pants holster and swept me. the distance was 25 feet. my hand was on the butt of mine before i realised his was painted dark blue.

i chewed his ass out, and he told me "it's OK, i'm a police training officer". i told him he was lucky he wasn't tits up and spoke to a cop with jurisdiction about charging him. they had some nasty words, and the guy still didn't understand that he was an idiot. less then 2 seconds for me to decide the gun was blue in a not so brightly lit farm show arena. he was lucky i'm not color blind and that i know what blue means.

 

[armedpolak]

to all of you, no offense taken

about my grammar. it's not my first language, I started learning English when I was 17, and I'm still learning 10 years later

again, no offense taken! i actually don't mind, it only helps me get better at what you call the english

anyways, i handed a loaded gun to a store clerk once before myself. BUT, i first told the guy i had a loaded gun IWB. then, once he said it was ok to hand it to him, i pulled it out slowly with 3 fingers on the grip far away from the trigger. handed it to the guy in a manner in which i couldn't fire it. then he unloaded it and handed me the mag + 1. at what point we went to look for another holster. so I think it was OK, no surprises, and safe gun handling.

anyways, the guy at the store to whom the original story refers, didn't seam to be too bothered by the whole incident, as opposed to the store workers, who certainly needed few minutes to get their adrenaline down. one of them sold me the Ruger, and said he really didn't want to shoot anyone, but this sure looked like one of those times when, you just might take it a step too far, and end up with a cold body on the floor.

well it all turned out ok, but judging by the response of the irresponsible, no lesson has been learned that day... unfortunatelly.

 

[tellner]

Another helpful hint. If you're going to walk in with an uncased gun don't shove the door open with your foot.

 

[JohnKSa]

If you're going to take a gun to the store, it needs to be unloaded and in some sort of packaging that is either obviously a gun case or that completely disguises the gun.

Walk to the counter and set the cased/packaged gun down on the counter and step back. If necessary tell the proprietor what's inside. Let the proprietor open the case/package and clear/check the gun by himself unless he asks for help.

 

[Green Lantern]

Crap like this is part of the reason why one of my favorite stores for gun "stuff" (but not guns, I live across the state line so the law says I must be a gun-runner if I try to buy one there :roll: ) has a notice posted that ANY weapon carried inside must be checked at the front desk to ensure it's unloaded.

I said "part" of the reason. The other part, from what I hear, involves things going *BANG* when they weren't supposed to!

How HARD is it to get? I was afraid I didn't know enough to install my Meprolites on my G19 by myself, so I took it off to the local smith. I may be too dumb to install sights, but COMMON SENSE told me to unload the gun, and put it in a case. In fact, I think I even took it down just for good measure.

People make me want to :banghead: sometimes...

 

[Deavis]

It seems like a nice solution would be to install a clearing box and that would solve many of the issues you describe here. It would require the owners of the shop to take on some responsibility, ie build it, but it might help. Big box and a big sign, "All weapons cleared here, actions open, slides locked back, etc..." Put out some bags for the pistols and some flags for the rifles with some educational pictures. That might help improve the situation some.

An indoor range I went to had one and it made sense for the gunsmithing/selling portion of the shop, but I despised it when you are carrying your CCW or a range bag full of weapons. Further the guy was pretty rude and liked to say "I am the only person in here that gets to carry a gun." The idea, when combined with a functioning range and the anti-CCW policy made me take my business elsewhere. Funny thing was I got my CHL there and the guy made a big speech about how great it was, just not on his turf.

Otherwise, I think a clearing box is a great idea and would help avoid these kinds of issues.

 

[redneck2]

about my grammar. it's not my first language, I started learning English when I was 17, and I'm still learning 10 years later

Hey...there are plenty of people that grew up here and still can't spell or type. IMO, do your best, try to learn as best you can, and move on.

Actually, I don't know how anybody from a foreign country can figure out English.

Hear, here...there, their, they're. Good luck figuring all that stuff out.

FWIW....the thing that probably would help some posters the most is punctuation. Evidentally some keyboards have no period key.


(announcer's voice)...Now, back to our regularly scheduled thread.

This is the type of thing that pops in my head when we see the "Why do they hire idiots work in gun shops?" thread.

I had a guy walk in from the range with a loaded 9mm, waiving it around PULLING THE TRIGGER!!! "Damned gun won't fire"



So I get more than a little excited. He couldn't figure out why we were worked up. After all, it wouldn't fire

 

[XavierBreath]

So as i'm filling up the federal transfer form, a guy walks into the store, while two other store workers (armed) are behind the counter. a dude walks in, reaching behind his back and pulling out a glock like he's about to shoot up the place and heads straight for the counter where the two sales guys are. as one of the sales guys reaches for his weapon (he later said he assumed the worse and was about to pop the guy who walked in) the idiot puts the glock on the glass counter (turned out the glock was unloaded, just concealed) saying "what? what just happened" cuz he saw the two dudes with hands on their guns looking straight at him. so finally the sales guy explains "well, maybe you shouldn't walk into stores and pull out your gun!!!"
the dude almost shot the guy. and the scary thing... it all took 2 seconds!

You know, I'm always amazed at people who say "I almost pulled out my gun and shot him!"

I usually respond "Well, why didn't you, Billy Badass? Perhaps it was something you were seeing that told you this event was not the time and place for that response.........Perhaps you are not yet ready to kill and should not carry a gun at all.....The two seconds you hesitated could have been a death sentence.......Perhaps your brain is wound up too tight from watching Tarentino movies, and you see robberies where there are none.....Perhaps you need to take a chill pill........"

If some clown walked into a liquor store and yanked out his CCW piece on the way to the counter, this type of response would be appropritate. People bring guns into gun stores every day. It is to be expected. Not all people are intelligent. Some will do this kind of thing. If the guy is not pointing the gun in an aggressive manner, then why are employees responding by preparing to kill him? The same thing gets me at the range when people threaten to kill others who sweep them with their muzzle.

Folks, if the intent to kill is not there, deadly force is the wrong response. If the intent to kill is there, then you will die if you hesitate. You must look at the person, not the gun. Respond to the person, not the gun. The gun will not kill you. The person will. These people saw a gun, and prepared to kill a man because he brought a gun into a gun store in a manner they did not like. Were they in fear of their life? Perhaps, if they were unfamiliar with gun stores or idiot customers in gun stores. A reasonable man on their jury would likely see killing gun carrying customers in gunstores as an unreasonable response, however.

If a muzzle errantly moves in your direction, step aside. Cuss all you like. Keep your hands off your piece. If you pull out your HK Kimglock Megablaster 3000 and ventilate the other party with 17 rounds of screaming hot copper jacketed opinion, you will be meeting Tyrone in prison. If you start cussing somebody and put your hand on your holstered gun while doing so, do not be surprised if the other party is less hesitant, and kills you. At that point, you are the threat, you are the armed threat displaying intent. Do not be surprised if your killer walks after being judged by twelve reasonable men on a jury.

That being said, there are many good suggestions here about how to better approach gun store cowboys with a gun.

 

[Monkeybear]

Every gunstore I have been inside of has a visible sign somewhere near the front door telling you how to correctly enter with a firearm. Id advise to read the sign, and follow it. Id also advise poping in for a second and letting them know your going to come in with a gun, just to give them a heads up.