This looks like it would go well with my ppq

[wally]

I believe the Steyr GB used some kind of gas operating system back in the early '70s.

Thanks, I vaguely remember reading about these in gun mags, mostly for the 18 round magazine capacity. Never actually seen one in the flesh.


From Wikipedia:

The Steyr GB is a semi-automatic, blowback-operated firearm. It features a unique gas-delayed blowback locking system (the Barnitzke system), first used in the Volkssturmgewehr 1-5,[3] and subsequently in the Swiss Pistole 47 W+F (Waffenfabrik Bern) prototype pistol.[4] The Barnitzke system uses gas pressures from the ignited cartridge and feeds them through a small port in the barrel (in front of the chamber) to retard the rearward motion of the slide. This is accomplished by means of a fixed piston formed by the outside of the barrel, inside of a moving cylinder formed by the inside of the slide, that opposes the rearward motion of the slide until the gas pressure has declined—after the bullet has left the barrel—hence allowing the slide to continue its rearward motion, opening the breech and ejecting the empty cartridge case.

HK built a very complicated gun when they designed the P7 and there were some weaknesses that showed up, but they weren't directly related to the gas system.

The major weakness with mine is in our 95+ degree heat it gets too hot to comfortably hang on to after only a few magazines when banging steel plates (six plates under 3 seconds is the starting point)

 

[jjones45]

So basically if walther can keep the frame from developing heat related problems this should be a winner then right? Since the frame is polymer then no oven mitt will be needed for volume shooting but the internals must be resistant to these elements. I get it. So this we be the first successful polymer gas delayed blowback pistol if executed properly. As far as gun technology has come this should be attainable, but time will tell

 

[C0untZer0]

Walther PPS
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.2 in
Length: 6.3 in
Height: 4.4 in
Width: .90 in
Weight: 20.0 oz
Capacity: 6+1

Walther CCP
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.54 in
Length: 6.41 in
Height: 5.12 in
Width: 1.18 in
Weight: 22.24 oz
Capacity: 8+1

HK P7M8
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 4.13 in
Length: 6.54 in
Height: 5.0 in
Width: 1.14 in
Weight: 27.68 oz
Capacity: 8+1

 

[wally]

Thanks for posting the comparison specs.

I don't like the 1.18" width or the 22.24 oz weight, but I suspect the main appeal would be the easy to rack slide and the claimed reduced recoil, extra weight helps reduce felt recoil. I hope the width is because the external safety is included in the measurement, something the other two lack.

 

[Fishbed77]

Over at Waltherforums.com, a member confirmed that the CCP carries the Cologne proofmark, rather than the Ulm (Staghorn) proof.

If you know Walthers, you know this is bad news.

 

[Jack19]

Looks like Walther's answer to the Shield is out.

Still, heavier and wider.

 

[guyfromohio]

See no reason to purchase over a PPS.

 

[bainter1212]

See no reason to purchase over a PPS.

Good point. The PPS is a great gun.

 

[wally]

See no reason to purchase over a PPS.

If your wife can't rack the slide of the PPS this could be a better option, if it really has reduced perceived recoil, it can't hurt as most sub-compact 9mm pistols are a handful, the extra weight will help with perceived recoil. Only shooting one will tell the tale.

 

[Fishbed77]

Looks like Walther's answer to the Shield is out.

Still, heavier and wider.

You mean the PPS? It was out years before the Shield.

 

[Phil W]

I have a PPS. If they didn't make the PPS I would definitely buy this handgun......

 

[gym]

I saw an article about this gun about a month ago, it said the gun will have the new trigger of the PPQ. There is your reason right there. It also had some other features that at the time seemed well thought out, like the Mag release, but I don't remember too many details other than asking several gun stores, if they had one in yet.

 

[JohnnyBravo]

The major weakness with mine is in our 95+ degree heat it gets too hot to comfortably hang on to after only a few magazines when banging steel plates (six plates under 3 seconds is the starting point)

Just keep a three gallon bucket of water handy.

JB

 

[Pelo801]

How is this "new" gas system going to be if I want to shoot cast lead? Is this going to cause problems like I've heard about in the DE?