Those who wear a shirt and tie every day

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The first (and last) time I got into a fight while wearing a standard tie made a believer out of me. My opponent used my nice silk tie to choke me while we struggled. The knot was tightened so much that, after the festivities were over, I had to cut the tie off with scissors. Screw grappling with a tie...

I you need to wear a tie AND feel that you are at risk for violence...get a clip-on (like police uniform suppliers sell) or have a tailor make break-aways out of your favorite ties.
 
IMO, it's not very mall ninjaish to consider this.

Voluntarily putting a tie, the functional equivalent of 3 feet of rope around my neck has _always_ struck me as being an unsound idea, and I stopped doing it as soon as I could.
 
Not trying to be sarcastic here, I'm honestly curious.

Question: If a bad guy grabs you by the tie and it breaks away... then what?

I just don't understand the basic reasoning behind this. I can see breakaway ties for cops, to avoid getting pulled down or strangled when wrestling with a suspect, etc. - but a financial advisor?

The only reasons I can think of to grab you by the tie is to 1) lead you around (and if I were going to rob a bank, I'd prefer to let the gun do the talking and keep out of arm's reach) or 2) to strangle you (in which case your tie coming off would just serve to piss said BG off and cause a shift to Plan B: Pistol Whipping).

I just fail to see how having a break-away tie is going to enhance the situation any. If a bank robber is using valuable bank-robbing/getaway time to strangle the financial advisor, he must want you dead pretty badly; I doubt a breakaway tie is going to make him reconsider.
 
Buy the best tie you are happy with.

That is what tailors are for have him or her make it a break away. All my ties have been done that way, it is standard IMHO
 
The only reasons I can think of to grab you by the tie is to 1) lead you around (and if I were going to rob a bank, I'd prefer to let the gun do the talking and keep out of arm's reach) or 2) to strangle you (in which case your tie coming off would just serve to piss said BG off and cause a shift to Plan B: Pistol Whipping).
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Maybe he hasn't made a plan b yet, and you gain an advantage. Maybe you are rolling around on the ground, and you don't want something around to let him easily control your neck and upper body.

I just fail to see how having a break-away tie is going to enhance the situation any. If a bank robber is using valuable bank-robbing/getaway time to strangle the financial advisor, he must want you dead pretty badly; I doubt a breakaway tie is going to make him reconsider.
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It's easier to see how a break-away tie won't hurt the situation at all. If nothing happens all he did was waste some time. If something does happen and the tie breaking free prevents him from being choked out, or otherwise impeded in a fight. Then that minute time investment was well worth the effort he doled out.

Google OODA loop. Then write the class how having a tie not behave as execpted enhances the chance of him winning the encounter.
 
Along this line of thought . . .

You better have short hair.
Wear tightly tailored shirts.
Don't wear a coat.


Lots of things we wear can be grabbed. Even our wrists and arms.


Yes, a tie can get grabbed. But, I like a nice tie, in a nice suit. As an investment banker, its a lot less likely you're going to have a bank robber grab you by it than it is have a pissed off guy at the bar after work grab it.

If you think its of value, you don't need to ask our permission to go do it. I can't imagine cutting up nice silk neckwear in response to this. Truthfully, if I thought it was THAT much of a threat, I'd wear it tucked into my shirt a few buttons down. Just respond that you're concerned about it getting caught in the shredder again . . . or inkstains from all the loan applications and mutual funds you're signing.
 
The internet is the devil, isn't it? I'm guessing what TFin04 got out of this is:

1. Yes, a break-away design will work and is, in fact, already popular
2. Velcro is another way to go
3. You could get a tailor to do it

As someone who does some professional sewing on the side, my advice is do not pay $20-$30 a tie for this. It would take me probably thirty seconds to cut and re-stitch a tie in this manner, and I'm slow.

If I were offering, I'd say $3 a tie, plus actual shipping.

Good luck with the project. I think it's a good idea with zero downside and I hope it never gets tested. I'd love to see pictures of the finished product and to hear about anything you learned while doing it.
 
There was a reason Royce Gracie always wore a gi to fight. It gave an opponent something to grab which in turn brought that person that much closer to him so he could do his thing. If you are really worried about it, which I think is not something you should be worried about as a financial analyst far away from the tellers, etc., then either take some close quarters grappling classes or just find another FA job with another bank in a better location.
 
I know a coupld of law enforcement types who have gone with the break-away ties. One is a U.S. Marshall, one an FBI agent, one a detective, one a court bailiff. All buy standard ties, tie a good knot in it, and go to the tailor. Tailor pulls about 1 inch or so of slack in the tie, cuts it, and stitches the ends so they dont fray, then attaches the velcro tabs. A couple of stitches in the knot to keep it from coming apart or tightening. Worked well for them. As to whether or not it's a valid concern, lert me ask you this. If the average number of shots fired in defense is 2 or 3, why do you carry a reload? When you answer "just in case," then you'll understand why he's asking about the ties...
 
If you're a financial advisor, then what kind of situation do you envision happening in the bank? You're likely to be well clear of the teller line and the robbers would have absolutely no interest in you. Just keep your head down, let them pull some cash and leave. Not to be rude, but I don't think your ninja tie is going to help you in any conceivable bank robbery situation.
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Our copier, fax machine and all important documents are behind the teller line for 'security purposes.' I find myself back there for about a third of my day. Add to that the fact that my company hates hiring people, they make me run a teller window every now and then. Even my branch manager runs a window a day or two a week. It sucks, but it's what I have to do for right now.

As someone who does some professional sewing on the side, my advice is do not pay $20-$30 a tie for this. It would take me probably thirty seconds to cut and re-stitch a tie in this manner, and I'm slow.
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Oh absolutely. My mom does a lot of side business with friends from work as their personal tailor, I would probably have her do it. I can sew myself, so I may just barrow her machine.

For everybody else- Sure it may not be 'needed,' but for the half hour it takes to do it to all of my ties, why not? Just my view I guess. Thanks for the input everybody.
 
I've thought about doing this quite a few times, but never followed through.

I do think I'd prefer velcro over weakened stitches. With weakened stitches you would still have to tie the knot each day, and I expect that would put a good deal of stress on the seam. With velcro I'd run some stitches through the knot to hold it in place, and just use the velcro to put it on each morning.

Say, a 1/4" circle of hook on one end, and a four-inch strip of loop on the other. That would allow for size adjustability, while still letting go pretty easiliy.

As for putting the break point on the side or the back of the neck, I can see an argument either way. Maybe it depends on the combination of fabrics; ie, maybe twill grips a silk tie tighter than oxford, or vice versa. Certainly I've found that in some shirts it is easier to adjust my tie than others.

Maybe there should be two break points, one on each side of the neck? That way if one side does get stuck, it would just break away.

If you experiment, please post what you find!
 
not Mall Ninja ninjutsu

but budo taijutsu....do a google search, find out about it, join a club or class with a good instructor

http://www.winjutsu.com/

all things mentioned in your original post are true, but there are options, and if his hands are on your tie....then your hands can be in his eyes, face, groin, neck, etc...
 
I hate tying ties as do several folks I work with. There's a very nice lady that does tailoring and alterations that knows how to tie a man's tie better than my dad ever did (and he wore a tie every workday and was a clothes horse). She's tied several nice expensive ties with great knots and then converted them to snap (and now velcro) closures for folks in the office. She charges $10 each for the conversion. As a matter of convenience it's great to not fumble around with trying to get the knot just right when putting on a coverted tie is a snap.:evil:
 
At first it sounded a little mall ninja paranoid, but if you think about it, its an all arround good idea. Maybe your coming home or going to work in the car and have car trouble where you have to look under the hood with the engine running, a break away tie would be alot better than getting your head sucked into the serpentine belt.
 
The best option is to avoid the whole "getting grabbed by the tie" thing. Avoid confrontation if at all possible.

Realistically, if grabbed by tie and its a real one.... you will prob be going on a walk like a dog on a leash.
 
That's a very good observation. A dirty fighter will jerk your tie while he gives you an uppercut. There's no gun I know of that will counter that move, unless you already have the drop on him. YMMV
 
Anybody ever grabs my tie isn't going to like the results. I'll be all over them like a fur coat with claws attached :D But I like your idea. I've worked manufaturing a lot and being around industrial machinery while wearing a tie is very hazarous. You must have a large paper shredder in the bank?
 
I've worn a tie 6 days a week for the last 9 years and is was only after I started reading these dam forums did I ever suspect it could hazardous to my health:D

The break away tie had recently crossed my mind and my initial thoughts on reading this thread hinged were on 03Shadowbob's notion of using it to bring the BG closer to his/her 'undoing' but fortunately, it's my office to run and after a few nasty incidents some months back ties are now not required 'dress', we deal with some very high end clients and no-one has mentioned the lack of ties yet, I'll pop one on if I feel the need, other wise no-thanks, and that was re-enforced by
A dirty fighter will jerk your tie while he gives you an uppercut
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. If my staff doesn't want to wear one I won't force them.:)
 
ever seen sailors on shore patrol??

they, by regulation, do not ware their neckerchief!!

why???

because their job is to round up drunk and rowdy sailors and break up bar fights.

the Navy figured this one out a long time ago.

Don't mock TFin04 for bringing up a very valid concern.

If you think you might have to "mix it up" whilst in jacket and tie (uniform of the day for a whole lot of guys) you might also consider "active ware" that has elastic material in the crotch and arm pits.

Ages ago, Chuck Norris (when his fame was as a competitor and not a movie star) used to model this kind of stuff in karate magazines.....doing head kicks while wearing jeans, etc...

I shot my knees and dropped out of the martial arts scene long ago, but I'd bet ya the selection has only improved since then.
 
I certainly don't scoff at the idea of a breakaway tie, but I still fail to see how it would help you in a bank robbery.
 
Tie This

Does a violent attacker want to pull on my tie? Go ahead. I'll just have to empty my G17 into him. 16 rounds of 115gr +p+ Speer GDHP will calm him down considerably.
 
otasan, you'd better be sure that a reasonable person would look at all aspects of the violent attack on you and decide that deadly force was justified.

Then there is the problem of drawing and firing accurately whil you're violently being jerked around by the neck.

Jeff
 
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