Thoughts on carry for a motorcyclist.

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I haven't made a range trip on the bike yet, but I did make a run up to Murfreesboro to buy a pistol from a guy about a month ago. Unfortunately the range I usually go to is a public one that's down about half a mile or so of gravel road... I'm leery of gravel when riding.

I put in my application for my TN HCP on Friday, so hopefully I'll see my permit in a month or so. Then I'll comment on my IWB/tank bag carry idea some more. :D
 
I've been riding on the street for about 10 years and CCW during the past 4. So far the best I've found is a quality shoulder rig for comfort and safety. I did do the SmartCarry on a sportbike with a full size 1911 but it wasn't all that comfortable. I am also going to a Gould and Goodrich Bootlock ankle holster for a j-frame for those hot days when I don't want to wear the leathers. I did go down last week while wearing the shoulder holster and came away with only a bruise on my leg. I'm convinced your arm will stop the pistol from hurting you when carrying in a shoulder rig.

I'm not a huge fan of off the body carry unless you can really secure it like with the Road Warrior by S and S Sales Co. Too easy to have the weapon walk away from you.
 
Hollywood do you really want us to answer that?

I am just kidding, my around town ride and pitbike is a 1983 Honda Urban Express, complete with basket...
 
Another member and I were talking about this the other day.. I just bought an EAA Bounty Hunter and plan to "tank bag" carry it. I do carry IWB and in a Miami Classic from time to time, but have been looking for other options. Easy for me to carry because I'm one of those ATGATT guys anyway.
KLR650 by the way-
 
Poking fun right back! Not so thin skinned that a little fun would tear open a major part of my lower GI. 70 mpg highway - maybe 65 mpg city. I rarely take it on the highway though, usually only on my way to the Keys. On that trip it turns a $100++ cost in my RAV4 into a $10++ trip on the Vespa. I keep the RAV4 for groceries and home depot etc, but the scooter is my daily driver.

Down here you are looking at 3.30 - 3.50 a gallon. I hate spending the money when I don't have to and I don't like the idea of this country being beholden to foreign interests because of our transportation system. Also I don't know enough about science to have a valid opinion on global warming, so I figure, better to err on the side of caution. (Similar logic to why I exercise my 2nd amendment rights!)
 
For now, I use a shoulder holster when I can keep my jacket on and a fanny pack when I know the jacket will be coming off. Hopefully I'll find a decent vest soon as the fanny pack ruins the lines of the bike. ;-)
 
Packin' a** fanny pack worn over my leathers which are worn over my Gerbing heated vest. BMW R1200RT and 2004 BMW R1150RT (for sale by the way).
 
+1 on new enough, I own both textile Joe Rocket and mesh both are great and the mesh is so breathable that it encourages you to wear protection on all but the MOST oppressively hot days.
 
Ironically, this thread started the day I had my 1st ever motorcycle wipe out; or collision with the ground induced by a minivan, shall we say? :mad:

Anyway, Ed Ames hit the nail on the head. I can tell you from unfortunately first hand experience that if I'd been carrying belt, strong side as I usually do in other aspects of life, I'd have sustained significantly more damage than I did.

Don't be a wuss. Wear all the gear, all the time. No exceptions. (ATTGAT for short). I was wearing a full Aerostich w/ TF2 armor - www.aerostich.com.

What difference? My gear sustained only minor damage, this was only a 30 mph get off. However, I was flailed to the ground spraining my wrist from nothing but a backhand type impact with the pavement, and some pulled muscles. My helmet took one major impact to the upper left side and face shield, my gloves were scuffed and my suit sustained 2 small wear through / slide damaged areas that the mfgr is repairing now.

Had I been posing on my bike w/o an armored suit that only cost me less than a top notch helmet, I'd probably still be in the hospital. And in fact I *did* land on my strong side hip once during the ensuing slide & tumble.

You can fit a Desert Eagle 50 or S&W 500 magnum 2 or 4 inch barrel in the side pants pockets of a 'stich, but for more reasonably sized fare there's a nice chest pocket for left handers. They will also make custom mods if need be. ;)
 
Interesting. It was exactly one year and one day ago that I had my wipeout. Gear saved me from any broken skin, but it couldn't do much to tone down the results of me hitting the ground at 50 mph right on the point of my shoulder.

I suffered a fractured scapula, separated AC joint, and a broken finger which required surgery and remains mostly nonfunctional. But I'll tell you this- after seeing the effort it took to clean the ground-in dirt off my jacket and pants, I was glad it was on my gear and not my skin.
 
That 'stitch suit sure sounds like it saved you rear! Quality stuff for sure. What were you riding if I might ask?

'06 Kaw. ZX14. She sustained only scrapes, a broken mirror and upper cowling. I rode home (thinking I was ok).

The 'stich is the industry standard for protection & convenience. There's definitely suits out there with more ability to protect or racers would be turning laps in the stich. But the Stich goes on in ~20 seconds and it's mostly waterproof. Just like when it's easy to shoot and comfortable you will practice more often, when the gear is easy to use and comfortable you'll be more inclined to wear it. ALL the time. Even so, I've looked at my gear and made some decisions to try and improve.

http://www.bighammer.net/mcdown.html

That's the damage to the bike & gear. The 'stich was only abraded in 2 spots, one dime size hole and one tear. Both being repaired.

Here's why I don't like off body carry. Look at the damage the bike sustained. On the back was a laptop secured by a net. It was retained but remember this was only a 30 mph crash! If you stow a gun in a tank bag, what if you low side and the bike ends up in a place you're unable to get to without assistance? Now you are separated from your gun and at the mercy of the kindness of strangers. What are the chances? My bike slid probably 10 yards farther than I slid & tumbled at 30 mph...

So anyway, after seeing this damage and more importantly what damage I sustained, I procured

Newer suit armor, except for the hip pads which I already had (thank God).
Bohn back protector for the 'stich, covers way more area.
some bohn soft 'armor' sheets
maybe some new gloves, not fully decided yet
A new helmet
repair kit for the boots

So... Choose wisely where you carry the gun on a bike. Think "If I land on this spot, what damage is the gun going to do to me?"
 
Just to pick nits... I did not have a "lay down", nor did I "lay down the bike" or anything like that. I swerved out of the way of a minivan determined to occupy the same physical space as me at the same precise moment I was there. While I successfully evaded the errant driver - and I use that term loosely, in the process of so doing I exceeded my traction bank account's balance. A failure in my skill at motorcycle piloting, plain and simple. While I'm glad the so called driver didn't punch me over to the other side of the road in a tumbling heap, and I did successfully avoid the collision with the other vehicle, my inputs were not smooth enough.

I take great exception to the whole notion of riders who proclaim "i had to lay the bike down" - that's a piss poor excuse for poor piloting skills and more importantly taking responsibility for them. I take responsibility for my failing to successfully navigate the hazard here. In 16 years of riding that hadn't happened to me but it did here. This distinction is very much like the distinction between 'accidental discharge' and 'negligent discharge'. As an experienced motorcylist, I assure you I most certainly did not 'lay it down'.

Crashed, wrecked, wiped out, busted the traction budget, asphalt surfing, all ok though ;)

Now, as for the gear you wear interfering; yes, I will concede that I find it incredibly difficult to tote my 1919 on the ZX... :neener: But the 327PC fits in any jacket pocket packing 8 .357's :D

BTW, Areostich has a decent mailing list for sales, 2nds, repaired stuff, one offs etc. You could save some $$$ that way, or get one 2nd hand like I did. It doesn't have to be a perfect fit since they'll alter it for you.

Just make sure that gun stays away from YOUR hard parts !
 
great post.
It's not the 70's anymore and the only people "laying her down" are the wild hogs types who haven't had any training or road time. Or maybe some old guys who learned to ride in the old days. Modern motorcyclists know that laying the bike down is a bad idea in nearly every case.

Good advice on the carry placement too.
 
At first I thought you guys were arguing purely over semantics but now I think I know what the hell you are talking about. As far as I can tell 'laying her down' means to you that the rider intentionally flopped the side of the bike onto the pavement, like a last ditch effort to slow down (doesn;t work by the way, the kinetic friction coefficent is high for rubber on road than steel/fiberglass on road). To me, 'layin her down' means the same thing as crashing, or loosing control, not an intentional crash....just be sure you know what the other guy means before you start trashing him.
 
I hear it both ways...never really thought about the more specific connotation.

When I talk about an unintentional wreck, I usually just saw "went down" or "low sided/high sided."

I guess using lay down as a verb insinuates that it was your intent to low side out...

To keep it gun related, I just started riding again about a month ago. Been having a ball, but was kind of wondering how I'd manage to carry on there. Everyone I've talked to said the same about now carrying on your hip or in a shoulder holster against your ribs...the stomach idea is one I havent heard before and actually seems pretty sound. I also hate the idea of off-body carry...I'm not going to leave my CCW strapped to the bike when I go into the store or wherever, and I dont see myself pulling it from the bag and transferring it to someplace on my body in a parking lot. I figure my snubby might make the best bike gun...
 
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