thoughts on Saiga conversions....

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I bought the x39 Saiga as an inexpensive fun gun and a potential SHTF contingency rifle (wanted to get this need taken care up before the DNC runs the entire show and the mad rush to get evil black rifles before the coming AWB drives prices through the roof).

After my first two range visits I decided two things.....that I liked the rifle and that it was crying out for me to do the PG/High Cap. conversion.....

why?

one word.....Balance! I felt the rifle was front heavy in the sporter config.

By doing the PG/G2 conversion, you move the position of your strong hand (right for me) forward.....much closer to the COG (center of gravity) which is at the forward edge of the mag well. This makes your right hand (on the PG) and your left hand (at the rear end of the fore grip) close to equi-distance from the COG, which make the rifle feel much more "handi" ..... just as Mr. K origonally designed it.

So I did the conversion.....and came in with a total cost of $400! (stock Saiga fore grip, Tapco G2, Nato length poly stock, metal mil. surp. mags).

That price is bargain basement for a Saiga conversion (I've been known to spend 20 hours of research to save $10 :eek:) and I don't have a muzzle break.

I like my converted Saiga a LOT!!

but in retro-spect, here's some thoughts....

1. Don't buy a Saiga and plan on converting it because you want to save $. By the time you get done, you'll be over $500 (because I know you can't possibly be a cheap as me :)) and that puts you into the price range of the mid. tier AKMs (Lancaster, etc...)

2. The Saiga is a very well made AK, and a Saiga conversion is not a bad investment.

3. I enjoyed converting my Saiga and definately know and understand the Kolashnikov action better than any of my other rifles as a result.

4. The Saiga left in it's sporter config., though front heavy, is still quite a handy rifle (definately get the 16" barrel). You can enjoy the rifle w/ the stock 10 round mags, and keep a couple Sure Fires loaded up in your sock drawer for "special circumstances", in which case, 922R minutia is going to be the last of your concerns.

which leads me to a side topic about the whole 922R....

After probing knowledge level of LEO aquaintances and relations, I doubt any LEO other than a bonified ATF guy is going to have any clue about 922R requirements. If High Caps are legal in your state, your run of the mill LEOs are going to assume any rifle that you can slap a high cap in is legal.

(I'm serious, one state police detective didn't even know that there were special FFL requirements/tax stamp fees to posses a full auto.)

I solicited an opinion from the FBMG guys before I purchased my Saiga (I doubt there's many out there who know as much or more about the Saiga scene as they do) and was surprised to learn that their were no 922R prosecutions on record.....not that I want to be the first one.

There, I have now fullfilled my late night need to babble....
 
Yup, Saiga's are a great starting point for an AK lover,
and a "tinker'er". I converted my Saiga 308 in @ 2 hours.
Have all so bought one in .410 and 12ga.
Want fun,get a 12ga.!!!
Hands down the best $$ spent for the basic format.
You just need to do the rest.

MRI
 
My .223 saiga can do 2 MOA with Wolf.

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And I spent 220 on the rifle, probably 160 on the conversion. Takes 35 round Galils, and the 12 round galil mags fit SNUG without messing with them at all.
 
I've built a few AKs and figured I'd try my hand at converting a Saiga. I used spare parts I had laying around.

You are correct, the sporting configuration just feels "wrong"...

This feels 'right':

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P.S. I see no need for a muzzle device. Just my 2 pennies.
 
How bout some pics of your completed conversion! You can talk about it all you want but for us visual people we like to see pics!;)

I really like my Saiga conversion, especially since I bought it already converted for $340:D

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I paid a gunsmith to do my conversion (i supplied parts) and parkerize it. All told, including a 4x POSP scope, i still only have about $650 in it.
 
Nice looking rifles....

I'll have to borrow the digi-cam from work and post some pics of mine....but it's really plane Jane.

you can't possibly be a cheap as me :)

NW....$340 and all the work is done for you! you may be cheap, but I call that Lucky :)

DH's conversion highlights a good point....and that's the availability of .223 and .308 in the Saiga line.

Did you guys use Dinzag's bullet guide, fabricate your own?
 
The Saiga is a bargain. I have two in 7.62 x 39 (one NIB and put away). The one I shoot is stock w/16' barrel with a Williams Aperture sight.

I keep telling myself I'll convert it, but frankly there's no rush. It's a great rifle as its the biggest bang for the buck in an AK style.

If and when you do convert it, you'll have a first class weapon to convert. But in the meantime, you may discover that a conversion is not a necessity.

It's easy enough to adjust to take AK mags (please, no 922r discussions) with a bullet guide. Also consider that the "stock" Saigas do look like sporting arms, which can work to your benefit under certain circumstances.

This is an out-of-the-box rifle that will shoot and work as long as you can stand to pull the trigger.

Strong and reliable, the Saigas are my serious long arms and the first I go to in times of trouble.

Steve
 
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/st...x?p=16333&title=AK/SKS ADJUSTABLE REAR SIGHTS

Remove rear sight. Install this one. Easy enough to do.

Until TechSights come out with their new AK site this spring, this Williams sight works well and allows quick pickup of targets.

The new TechSight promises something on the order of a M1 type of rear aperture with ability to use AR sight components. this is a general explanation at best.

But if the new sight is as good as the SKS sight TS200, I'll get one. I find that aperture sights such as on the M1 allows me to shoot better as my eyes age, even while wearing glasses.

I've had several friends shoot with aperture sights who had been used to shooting only with open sights or scopes. These guys, all over 40, were surprised how much better they could shoot with aperture sights compared to shooting with open sight.

There is a thought that aperture sights on an AK may be slower to pick-up the target. But if you can't see open sights as well anymore, the aperture is certainly more accurate. I'll err on the side of accuracy here for a quarter to half second is nothing compared to missing.

Steve
 
I scoured the Williams web site and didn't see that one anywhere, thanks for the link.

Big +1 on peep sights, I replaced the buckhorns on my Marlin lever with a Williams and saw immediate improvement. Very natural sighting system.

I'm not the one who can help you find Galils....I'm an x39 guy (saving his pennies for an AR build, where .223 belongs :p)
 
Galil mags... I bought some off of a Saiga 12 forum member, and I was sent a couple from another forum member...

They are out there on the various AK forums.

If you can't find those, you can use Polish or Bulgarian 5.56 magazines.

What I'd really like to get a hold of would be a Denel R4 magazine, just to try it out...
 
I finished my conversion on a 7.62 last weekend and had a blast doing it. I think that it was worth it just to know the inner workings.

I taped it thinking it could help someone out. I know I am incorrect in some of my terminology and there are easier ways of doing some of the stuff I did but I would have liked to see the conversion before hand for ease of mind.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=113D4D0386C4C639

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RJS, what makes your conversion videos hilarious is the Spongebob Squarepants being watched in the background. :D
 
Meet Jane....

View attachment 70838as in plain Jane....

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O.K. ... I'm gonna pull my hair out here....
I attempted to load my picture 3 times and it aint' showin' up. Doin' it the same way I've done before, and even re-read the sticky on how to do it.
:banghead::banghead:
either the files to big or this camera has a screwy non-standard .jpg format...
I'll have to try again later....
 
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Here's my plain jane. If I can do a conversion, ANYONE can do it:D.
 

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