Thoughts on the 2nd Amendment (long-ish)

[MTMilitiaman]

I think the last few generations in this country have all been shown conclusively that with the right tactics, a guerrilla militia can keep a vastly superior organized military tied up for a long time. I think sniper and hit and run ambush tactics can still inflict a lot of damage and casualties, and is devastating to an enemies moral.

Plus, in my experience, most of this country's armed services are freedom loving people who fall on the right-hand/red side of the fence. I read somewhere of a study that said less than 3% of active duty military personal in this country would be willing to take arms from or against their fellow citizens. I don't know if the numbers are quite that skewed, but I think most would probably rather be at home defending their own turf rather than busting down their neighbor's doors. This is why I think the only real threat for forced disarmament of our society lies in the UN's efforts. And even then, rolling into a urbanized country with 80+ million gun owners holding 300+ million guns and the will to use them is a lot different than rolling an APC into a village of grass huts and taking AKs from uneducated 14 year olds without the training or technical expertise to use them. We aren't some 3rd world African craphole and disarming us would be an entirely different ball of wax. I don't think most European nations have the stomach for what would certainly be a long, protracted, bloody full scale war, and that's exactly what it would take to disarm us.

 

[langenc]

True one cant whip a tank-Waco and the other place prove that.

Take your gun and get whoever sent the tank..

 

[ErikO]

All the calls of veterans standing against the standing military are well and good. Just remember, we're coming up on the 100th anniversary of the Bonus Army events. I do not doubt that there are Pattons and MacArthurs in the ranks now.

 

[Neverwinter]

Plus, in my experience, most of this country's armed services are freedom loving people who fall on the right-hand/red side of the fence. I read somewhere of a study that said less than 3% of active duty military personal in this country would be willing to take arms from or against their fellow citizens. I don't know if the numbers are quite that skewed, but I think most would probably rather be at home defending their own turf rather than busting down their neighbor's doors.

Without the study and the methods used to perform it, such numbers are relatively useless because statistical bias can play as much of a role in skewing the numbers as it is allowed to.

 

[SilentStalker]

This has been an interesting and educational read, but IMO the Constitution has failed us, at least where the 2nd Amendment rights are concerned. I mean think about it, we already have a standing army that I am sure far outnumbers any militia units organized or otherwise. We as civilians do not have access to the same awesome tools that todays military has access to so we are no longer near equal to any standing army by any means whether it be firepower or manpower. That does not include the air force, all of the techno goodies, the navy or anything like that. That is like comparing apples to oranges so on that scale the Constitution failed a long time ago. And even if we had access to things like that who in the world could possibly afford it?

Our only hope would be that the men and women who work for the standing army would not use the tools they have at their disposal on civilians. However, history has shown that if you give people food or pay them something that they want most will do darn near anything if times get hard enough. So, in a sense they could probably persuade at least some of the military to take up arms against its own citizens. Just look at any 3rd world country with a tyrannical government. There are plenty of examples where militaries have turned on their own people IMO.

Now with that being said, I do believe that guerilla warfare has its place and that it can be used as a very good tool against forces much larger and more capable than their smaller counterparts. In fact, some of the elite in the armed forces use those tactics on a daily basis. Small efficient surprise attacks have a much better chance at overpowering a larger force and if you can divide that and attack a larger force in many areas at the same time gaining key areas then the opposing force will either be overran, give up, or just plain decide its not worth fighting anymore. Just look at how successful these tactics have been in other places of the world. Now with that in mind, IMO, some people within certain powerful places are starting to step over their bounds and I am pretty sure that the 2nd amendment will have to be used in full force sometimes within my lifetime to keep an overreaching force at bay, if you get my drift. You already are starting to see divide and conquer from the inside and what do you get when that happens? its normally not a good thing and as with all things history does repeat itself. Take that however you see it. Now what is even more scary is that if this ever did happen then you would really have to wonder about what would replace the current system. As someone already mentioned you would have to fight off several other countries that would want to take advantage of the situation.

 

[GunnerShotz]

You already are starting to see divide and conquer from the inside and what do you get when that happens?

Unite and defend.

 

[SilentStalker]

Unite and defend with whom? That's the problem, most people either talk but ^^^do not walk, are just plain lazy, want something for free, or just don't care. So, who ^^^do you suggest to join, what ^^^do you suggest to ^^^do? We need to get together and start coming up with strategies other than just saying to go vote! IMO, one politician is like another, they are all the same and no matter who gets elected in November I suspect things will only get worse. To bring this back on topic, what can we ^^^do to defend the constitution when the very officials that are elected are just rewriting it however they see fit, more or less?

 

[JShirley]

Enough.