Time for a Glock Boycott?
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robertbank
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"No need to rub salt in their wounds, they know how bad they have it."
Hey there is a bright side to living north of the 49th. We don't have Hillary running for Prime Minister.
That said we also had Jean Chretien for over 10 years. That, I guess makes us even.
Take Care and thanks for the support.
Bob
Hey there is a bright side to living north of the 49th. We don't have Hillary running for Prime Minister.
That said we also had Jean Chretien for over 10 years. That, I guess makes us even.
Take Care and thanks for the support.
Bob
Sistema1927
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All Canadians have the right to keep and bear arms.
As do all Cubans, all Germans, all Somalis, all Chinese, all Danes, etc.
While all have the right, granted to them by their Creator, some governments deny the free exercise of that right.
As do all Cubans, all Germans, all Somalis, all Chinese, all Danes, etc.
While all have the right, granted to them by their Creator, some governments deny the free exercise of that right.
Even if I understand your stand point.
Glock is a private company and they can do what ever they like and you have the same right.
You can buy what ever you like and Glock has the right to name their price in Canada.
In Germany by the way a Glock is sold for over 1,200 Euro.
1,200 Euro = 1,781.93 Canadian Dollar.
So actually, you got a deal!
Glock is a private company and they can do what ever they like and you have the same right.
You can buy what ever you like and Glock has the right to name their price in Canada.
In Germany by the way a Glock is sold for over 1,200 Euro.
1,200 Euro = 1,781.93 Canadian Dollar.
So actually, you got a deal!
Double Naught Spy
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Right. This isn't about Canadian rights. robertbank is trying to connect Glock pricing with Canadian rights, but that is a dubious link at best. Glock is a private company.
robertbank
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Double Naught Spy
Where did you get that idea from? This has nothing to do with our form of government,our religeous beliefs or our gun rights subjects that have arisn from posters here. It has everything to do with a gun company attempting to set prices for their guns in Canada by controlling retailers in the US from selling guns to a private company in the US for legal export to Canada.
Frankly, while the Canadian dollar was lower than the American one would have expected a price differental on foreign exchange alone plus the added cost of importing the guns from the US. BUT our dollar is at par or better than the Amererican counterpart and one would expect prices in Canada to be similar to those in the US at the wholesale level.
If Glock wants to control their pricing this way then they are free to do so. There are more than one company producing pistols and we consumers can spend our money where we choose. We are also free to punish by way of boycott those companies that choose to artificially set prices higher than they otherwise would be in a free market environment.
I can only imagine the uproar in the US if Company A had tier pricing from one state to another at the wholesale level and American gun owners were denied access to the lower pricing in the neighbouring State.
It is fair to say Glock and others try to prevent poaching from one territory to another but that usually involves price cutting below suggested retail it doesn't involve tier pricing at the wholesale or factory door where one territory gets preferential pricing over another.
AT $1,789 for a Glock in Europe I suspect Europeans have more money for the plastic wonder gun then anyone over on this side of the Atlantic.
Take Care
Bob
Where did you get that idea from? This has nothing to do with our form of government,our religeous beliefs or our gun rights subjects that have arisn from posters here. It has everything to do with a gun company attempting to set prices for their guns in Canada by controlling retailers in the US from selling guns to a private company in the US for legal export to Canada.
Frankly, while the Canadian dollar was lower than the American one would have expected a price differental on foreign exchange alone plus the added cost of importing the guns from the US. BUT our dollar is at par or better than the Amererican counterpart and one would expect prices in Canada to be similar to those in the US at the wholesale level.
If Glock wants to control their pricing this way then they are free to do so. There are more than one company producing pistols and we consumers can spend our money where we choose. We are also free to punish by way of boycott those companies that choose to artificially set prices higher than they otherwise would be in a free market environment.
I can only imagine the uproar in the US if Company A had tier pricing from one state to another at the wholesale level and American gun owners were denied access to the lower pricing in the neighbouring State.
It is fair to say Glock and others try to prevent poaching from one territory to another but that usually involves price cutting below suggested retail it doesn't involve tier pricing at the wholesale or factory door where one territory gets preferential pricing over another.
AT $1,789 for a Glock in Europe I suspect Europeans have more money for the plastic wonder gun then anyone over on this side of the Atlantic.
Take Care
Bob
The way it looks from south of the border (I only pick up Canadian TV stations on my antenna) the Canadian government is composed of the Liberal party and the More Liberal Party. It must be difficult to choose from bad to worse come election time.
When the Canadian gun laws became even more restrictive a few years back, I noticed a big jump in the news out of Vancouver and Victoria on home invasions--the reporters didn't have a clue, just more calls for even more laws to end the 'gun violence.' I sincerely hope the Canadian public gets it straight in future elections.
In the meantime, I was planning to get a Baby Glock as a pocket gun, I think I'll go with a SIG compact instead. Because whether Glock is right or wrong, they only added to the sad plight of the Canadian citizen wanting to exercise the God given rights of man.
It's so bad these days in respect to gun ownership in Canada, the government only recently trusted their own agents to carry weapons while protecting the border. Up till recently, the Canadian Customs people simply shut the door (so to speak) and ran for cover when an armed felon was approaching the border from 'The States' and hoped U.S. law enforcement types would either catch the felon first or protect them from him if he made it to the border crossing. Jeez!!!
ironvic
When the Canadian gun laws became even more restrictive a few years back, I noticed a big jump in the news out of Vancouver and Victoria on home invasions--the reporters didn't have a clue, just more calls for even more laws to end the 'gun violence.' I sincerely hope the Canadian public gets it straight in future elections.
In the meantime, I was planning to get a Baby Glock as a pocket gun, I think I'll go with a SIG compact instead. Because whether Glock is right or wrong, they only added to the sad plight of the Canadian citizen wanting to exercise the God given rights of man.
It's so bad these days in respect to gun ownership in Canada, the government only recently trusted their own agents to carry weapons while protecting the border. Up till recently, the Canadian Customs people simply shut the door (so to speak) and ran for cover when an armed felon was approaching the border from 'The States' and hoped U.S. law enforcement types would either catch the felon first or protect them from him if he made it to the border crossing. Jeez!!!
ironvic
The truth is, that Glock could care less. If they closed their doors tomorrow morning, the indians would loose their jobs, but the chiefs would walk away with millions. Do you really think the honchos would care about the little guy. Think about it. It has already happened to a few large corporations that shut their doors, and the suits laughed their way to the bank.........
robertbank
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ironvic
We are two different countries, similar but different. We aren't the U.S. and you aren't Canada and there is nothing wrong with that.
There are distinct differences in political philosophy between the political parties in Canada. Your problem is you are watching to much CBC, a broadcaster known for its very Liberal bias which may account for your conclusions.
I live in B.C, and the rise in home invasions had nothing to do with C 68 and our gun laws but had everything to do with ever increasing drug use in our cities. I won't comment on our former Liberal government's immigration policy as this is a gun forum.
The arming of Canadian Customs was a Union driven adgenda plain and simple. The RCMP were always called when notice of convicted felons were on the way North. Most of this action came just before the last election and was aimed at embarassing the then Liberal Government.
Good on you for going with the SIG.
Take Care
Bob
We are two different countries, similar but different. We aren't the U.S. and you aren't Canada and there is nothing wrong with that.
There are distinct differences in political philosophy between the political parties in Canada. Your problem is you are watching to much CBC, a broadcaster known for its very Liberal bias which may account for your conclusions.
I live in B.C, and the rise in home invasions had nothing to do with C 68 and our gun laws but had everything to do with ever increasing drug use in our cities. I won't comment on our former Liberal government's immigration policy as this is a gun forum.
The arming of Canadian Customs was a Union driven adgenda plain and simple. The RCMP were always called when notice of convicted felons were on the way North. Most of this action came just before the last election and was aimed at embarassing the then Liberal Government.
Good on you for going with the SIG.
Take Care
Bob
Sistema1927
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But only if we don't have to take Quebec.
robertbank
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"Notwithstanding" clause then essentially nullifies the whole bloody document whenever Canada's political masters find all those "Rights and Freedoms" too inconvenient.
You amuse me with this type of comment. How do you think "Canada's political masters" get to become our "political masters". We elect them from our communities. They are Canadians freely elected. True our elections only take 90 days as opposed to a year and a half and the results are known within hours not days. The system works rather well and is as good as any. Some might say better than some others. They maybe "political masters" in your eyes but hardly mine. If our guy doesn't perform we toss him in the next election. Seems to me it is "we" who hold the chain.
My Member of Parliament has an office in town about a five minute drive from my place and when he is in town I can go see him, have a coffee and chat. He does not support the gun registry but his party does and I have done what I can to convince him to break party ranks and vote against further funding of the registry. He says he will but time will tell.
While I don't agree with all our gun legislation, fact is it was passed in an open elected parliament by a party that managed to convince the majority of Canadians it was the right thing to do. Fortunately that is how a democracy works. As a gun owner my challenge is to turn the majority of people against passing more restrictive gun legislation and reversing some of what we have.
You may have similar challenges come Nov, 2008.
Take Care
Bob
ps the "Notwithstanding Clause" protects the rights of Provinces and allows them to opt out of federal programs and legislation if they choose to. The Federal Parliament can use it to get around Supreme Court rulings if they feel a particular "Law" is a necessary despite being a violation of the charter. Would be quite an exceptional situation indeed for the government of the day to go down that rode.
You amuse me with this type of comment. How do you think "Canada's political masters" get to become our "political masters". We elect them from our communities. They are Canadians freely elected. True our elections only take 90 days as opposed to a year and a half and the results are known within hours not days. The system works rather well and is as good as any. Some might say better than some others. They maybe "political masters" in your eyes but hardly mine. If our guy doesn't perform we toss him in the next election. Seems to me it is "we" who hold the chain.
My Member of Parliament has an office in town about a five minute drive from my place and when he is in town I can go see him, have a coffee and chat. He does not support the gun registry but his party does and I have done what I can to convince him to break party ranks and vote against further funding of the registry. He says he will but time will tell.
While I don't agree with all our gun legislation, fact is it was passed in an open elected parliament by a party that managed to convince the majority of Canadians it was the right thing to do. Fortunately that is how a democracy works. As a gun owner my challenge is to turn the majority of people against passing more restrictive gun legislation and reversing some of what we have.
You may have similar challenges come Nov, 2008.
Take Care
Bob
ps the "Notwithstanding Clause" protects the rights of Provinces and allows them to opt out of federal programs and legislation if they choose to. The Federal Parliament can use it to get around Supreme Court rulings if they feel a particular "Law" is a necessary despite being a violation of the charter. Would be quite an exceptional situation indeed for the government of the day to go down that rode.
robertbank
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Sistema1927
God be careful what you wish for.
Probably will happen but not in my lifetime. You guys got to figure out how to arrange a Maple Leaf amongst all those stars.
Take Care
Bob
God be careful what you wish for.
Probably will happen but not in my lifetime. You guys got to figure out how to arrange a Maple Leaf amongst all those stars.
Take Care
Bob
macadore
Member
I suspect there is more to this story than we know. I would not blame Glock for not wanting to run afoul of the Canadian government.
robertbank
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macadore
That is silly. In order to import the guns, import permits must be obtained from the Canadian Government. Nothing illegal about selling guns in Canada. Hell man we can even mail our guns to our friends up here. Try that Stateside! For that matter I can apply and arrange importation of a gun if I want to go through the exercise. The Canadian Government permit is rather easy to get. The US Export License for the seller in the US is the one that takes the time. That is why companies like Questar charge what they do and whose services are used by gun owners up here.
Register on canadangunnutz.com and check out the Exchange Forum. Here are the four sub forum titles:
Hunting & Sporting Arms
Military Surplus Rifle
Pistols & Revolvers
Shotguns
Modern Military and Black Rifles
Take Care
Bob
That is silly. In order to import the guns, import permits must be obtained from the Canadian Government. Nothing illegal about selling guns in Canada. Hell man we can even mail our guns to our friends up here. Try that Stateside! For that matter I can apply and arrange importation of a gun if I want to go through the exercise. The Canadian Government permit is rather easy to get. The US Export License for the seller in the US is the one that takes the time. That is why companies like Questar charge what they do and whose services are used by gun owners up here.
Register on canadangunnutz.com and check out the Exchange Forum. Here are the four sub forum titles:
Hunting & Sporting Arms
Military Surplus Rifle
Pistols & Revolvers
Shotguns
Modern Military and Black Rifles
Take Care
Bob
dstorm1911
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I just can't believe how many of those posting to this thread are so fixated on it must be a political issue etc...
Folks, it has absolutally ZERO to do with politics nothing, nada zip, there is no political related (even by the wildest stretch of imagination) issue at all here.
The issue is totally a matter of tier pricing used by Glock, if your minds are having such a difficult time comprehending this then try doing it this way...... instead of the word CANADA get your brain to see ALASKA o.k nomore reason to even consider Canadian politics at all as they are not the issue the people of ALASKA (Canada) ARE allowed to own the guns, that is not the issue, the ONLY issue is that Glock wants to charge an extra $200 for the same gun that can be purchased 50 miles away for $200 less, the OP feels that this is not right and that folks need to send a message to Glock that if a Gun sells at spot "A" for $450 then that same gun should sell at spot "B" for $450 and at spot "C" for $450
this is the only issue at question........ nothing more nor is anything else implied by any of the OPs original posts he simply thinks that ALL Glock guns should leave the factory with the same price tag attached, that price will be adjusted to account for monetery exchange rates and import/export costs incurred only......... Why are so many otherwise intelligent THR members having such a hard time comprehending this? its really frustrating trying to read the majority of the posts above because of so many posters trying to twist this into a political issue which it clearly isn't.......very clearly isn't
Myself, Won't own a Glock, they are so cheaply made its almost embarrasing to be seen with one........ if I'm going to own tupperware its an XD as they don't have the cheap feel of the glocks, things like steel triggers versus plastic and all of the stamped cheap sheet metal parts on a Glock they just remind me of a low quality toy stamped out as fast as they can...... I'd even take a Tuarus first at least they have actual milled steel controls versus the cheap stamped thin sheet metal found on the glocks I mean Glock can't even include some lil plastic plug for the hollow grip its just all so bottom of the barrel and bic lighterish, but then I grew up on 1911s and Smith and Wessons so I do have a lil bit higher standards than the average who grew up in this disposable world we live in today..... in the one I grew up in guns were actually crafted not mass stamped out from the cheapest materials possible...
I'd say the shooting population of Canada (ooooppps excuse me ALASKA) should look at the Springfield XD to meet their tupperware needs for a plastic gun it managed to impress me first time I picked one up, it just felt so much more substantial and smooth than the Glock I was holding in my left hand which felt cheap and well cheap
Folks, it has absolutally ZERO to do with politics nothing, nada zip, there is no political related (even by the wildest stretch of imagination) issue at all here.
The issue is totally a matter of tier pricing used by Glock, if your minds are having such a difficult time comprehending this then try doing it this way...... instead of the word CANADA get your brain to see ALASKA o.k nomore reason to even consider Canadian politics at all as they are not the issue the people of ALASKA (Canada) ARE allowed to own the guns, that is not the issue, the ONLY issue is that Glock wants to charge an extra $200 for the same gun that can be purchased 50 miles away for $200 less, the OP feels that this is not right and that folks need to send a message to Glock that if a Gun sells at spot "A" for $450 then that same gun should sell at spot "B" for $450 and at spot "C" for $450
this is the only issue at question........ nothing more nor is anything else implied by any of the OPs original posts he simply thinks that ALL Glock guns should leave the factory with the same price tag attached, that price will be adjusted to account for monetery exchange rates and import/export costs incurred only......... Why are so many otherwise intelligent THR members having such a hard time comprehending this? its really frustrating trying to read the majority of the posts above because of so many posters trying to twist this into a political issue which it clearly isn't.......very clearly isn't
Myself, Won't own a Glock, they are so cheaply made its almost embarrasing to be seen with one........ if I'm going to own tupperware its an XD as they don't have the cheap feel of the glocks, things like steel triggers versus plastic and all of the stamped cheap sheet metal parts on a Glock they just remind me of a low quality toy stamped out as fast as they can...... I'd even take a Tuarus first at least they have actual milled steel controls versus the cheap stamped thin sheet metal found on the glocks I mean Glock can't even include some lil plastic plug for the hollow grip its just all so bottom of the barrel and bic lighterish, but then I grew up on 1911s and Smith and Wessons so I do have a lil bit higher standards than the average who grew up in this disposable world we live in today..... in the one I grew up in guns were actually crafted not mass stamped out from the cheapest materials possible...
I'd say the shooting population of Canada (ooooppps excuse me ALASKA) should look at the Springfield XD to meet their tupperware needs for a plastic gun it managed to impress me first time I picked one up, it just felt so much more substantial and smooth than the Glock I was holding in my left hand which felt cheap and well cheap
The price game is the same with cars all over the world.
If you live in Germany, it will save you even after customs, taxes and the modifications you have to make, over $40k to buy a Porsche in the US and bringing it back to Germany.
That's why Porsche dealers in the US are not allowed to sell to non US resident.
Porsche will fine their dealer if they do!
Same with BMW and Mercedes, but not there the price difference is not that extreme!
Before the Canadian $$$ was weaker then the US $$$ and before the 0% financing, thousands of US made vehicles where brought back to the US form Canada.
Even if the instrument cluster had to be changed from km to miles, there was a savings!
Then look at pharmaceuticals!
If you live in Germany, it will save you even after customs, taxes and the modifications you have to make, over $40k to buy a Porsche in the US and bringing it back to Germany.
That's why Porsche dealers in the US are not allowed to sell to non US resident.
Porsche will fine their dealer if they do!
Same with BMW and Mercedes, but not there the price difference is not that extreme!
Before the Canadian $$$ was weaker then the US $$$ and before the 0% financing, thousands of US made vehicles where brought back to the US form Canada.
Even if the instrument cluster had to be changed from km to miles, there was a savings!
Then look at pharmaceuticals!
Prince Yamato
Member
RobertBank,
Can't you just buy a brand-new Norinco and be quiet
Seriously, it sucks that Glocks cost more, but in contrast to the good ol' USA, your government doesn't fear Chinese firearms imports; unlike ours, which seems to still be in Cold War mode and thinks a bunch of MIG-21s are going to be flying over San Francisco an hour after I purchase a chrome barreled SKS.
Can't you just buy a brand-new Norinco and be quiet
Seriously, it sucks that Glocks cost more, but in contrast to the good ol' USA, your government doesn't fear Chinese firearms imports; unlike ours, which seems to still be in Cold War mode and thinks a bunch of MIG-21s are going to be flying over San Francisco an hour after I purchase a chrome barreled SKS.
Seems to me that GLOCK is being greedy. It costs them less than 100 bucks to produce a Glock, yet it would cost me near 500 dollars in my area for them, 450 at shows.
And considering a GLOCk is not "perfection" by any means I have resisted the urge to buy a Glock, and I'm doin' just fine.
And considering a GLOCk is not "perfection" by any means I have resisted the urge to buy a Glock, and I'm doin' just fine.
Double Naught Spy
Sus Venator
Well gee Robert, I don't know. Maybe I got it from your original post?
So the only way, according to you, that Canadians will keep their rights to own handguns and firearms (I thought handguns were, but maybe y'all do things differently up north) is to expand gun sport cheaply and you are saying Glock pricing is supporting the cheap expansion, thus not helping you keep your rights.
ATW525
Member
In the course of my employment I deal with manufacturers and distributors in many different market areas. All I can say is that if you find this practice so offensive that it's worthy of boycott, I suggest you throw away your manufactured goods and move into a cave. Agreements like the ones Glock Distributors enter into with Glock are pretty common in the real world.
robertbank
Member
Blueridge
That is the service Questar provides for it's Canadian/US Customers. To import/export guns to and from the US or Canada import/export permits must be obtained from the Canadian and US Governments. The process is involved, includes export/import fees, verification and registration of the firearm etc. Individuals can wade through the rules and regulations or have a company such as Questar do it. Basically Questar has indicated they will do that for Canadians wishing to buy Glocks and have reduced their fee for such purchases.
Not sure what Glock accomplishes here by doing this because there is nothing to stop me from buying a Glock from FFL in your town and having it ship to Questar's FFL thence complete the import into Canada. Assuming I buy right in the US I can save a few dollars on the purchase. Being a bit of a stubborn type and already owning a S&W M&P I won't buy a Glock on principle now - that and I have what I believe to be a superior gun in any event.
As an aside, if you ever want to see what the antis have accomplished with our/your legislation regarding the movement of sporting firearms take a look at the import/export rules and regulations. You would think a .22lr rifle is a WMD. Are you aware you need an export license to legally sell me a 4x Hunting scope for my rifle. Makes no sense but I guess somebody thinks they need to control dangerous goods like hunting scopes and used .45acp brass. The latter also requires an export permit if you are a commercial enterprise in the US.
Take Care
Bob
That is the service Questar provides for it's Canadian/US Customers. To import/export guns to and from the US or Canada import/export permits must be obtained from the Canadian and US Governments. The process is involved, includes export/import fees, verification and registration of the firearm etc. Individuals can wade through the rules and regulations or have a company such as Questar do it. Basically Questar has indicated they will do that for Canadians wishing to buy Glocks and have reduced their fee for such purchases.
Not sure what Glock accomplishes here by doing this because there is nothing to stop me from buying a Glock from FFL in your town and having it ship to Questar's FFL thence complete the import into Canada. Assuming I buy right in the US I can save a few dollars on the purchase. Being a bit of a stubborn type and already owning a S&W M&P I won't buy a Glock on principle now - that and I have what I believe to be a superior gun in any event.
As an aside, if you ever want to see what the antis have accomplished with our/your legislation regarding the movement of sporting firearms take a look at the import/export rules and regulations. You would think a .22lr rifle is a WMD. Are you aware you need an export license to legally sell me a 4x Hunting scope for my rifle. Makes no sense but I guess somebody thinks they need to control dangerous goods like hunting scopes and used .45acp brass. The latter also requires an export permit if you are a commercial enterprise in the US.
Take Care
Bob
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