Time for hunters to change attitude

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As I sit here at 3:08 am I have been thinking about how at least in Oregon hunting is on the decline. Now I realize there are many factors for this trend but one that affects both new and seasoned hunters is that fact that our access to quality public lands has decreased and fewer and fewer private landowners are willing to allow us access. And us hunters aren't helping the situation by keeping our prime grounds to ourselves. I know as I have my own "golden spots". But if we don't change our mode of thinking then our "way of life", our "sport", will soon pass. That goes for firearms as well. Everytime we gain a gun "right" we usually give one up as well. These compromises do not advance our cause they are merely that, compromises.
So when I return from my varmint hunting in northeast Oregon this weekend I am going to publicly document on this forum every animal sighting. Every coyote, rock chuck, sage rat, etc. It's time we help out the newbies who might give up on hunting otherwise and even the experience hunters who may have lost their favorite spot.
 
And as I said its 3 am so I may be half asleep. So if what I said above makes me sound like I'm smoking the ol' crackpipe then just ignore me. :)
 
I sure agree with your concern. One thing that can help, I think, is to find a 'newbie" and take him along. Or her, along. Even if they don't shoot, they start that unending learning process.

Art
 
Taking kids and newbies along is the only way to keep the hunting traditions we love alive and strong.

IMHO Every hunter should try and make it a personal mission to introduce at least 2 new hunters to the sport. It's really the only way...
 
I think the hunter education process prevents most from taking a newbie along. Follow me if you will.

In WI, if you were born after 1973 (I think, dunno for sure) you need to take a class and get a hunting education card. Then you can buy licenses. I know safe hunting is important, but I think that there should be a "free weekend" like there is for fishing here in the state. One weekend a year, you don't need a license to fish. It is like a way to try out the sport and experience the thrill of fishing without spending alot of cash on the sport.

There should be a hunt free weekend. Small game where you can take a newbie and they can shoot but they have to be with someone who has taken the hunters education class. I have friends who think it would be cool to go hunting, some have trampled through the woods with me, but not being able to carry a gun makes it less than hunting more like follow the leader.

It may not be the best idea, but the whole take a newbie hunting idea is good and all. However, following someone hunting when you cannot shoot the game, or dress the animal equates to little more than follow the leader. There needs to be a way to take a true newbie out and them to get the experience without the time invested in classes or money into weapons/ammo/clothing.

At least that is my take on it.

Edit: Hunters education classes range from two 8 hour weekend sessions to 3 hours a week for 6 weeks like I did. That is alot of time to invest in a sport you might not even like. Most of todays youth hunters here hunt because their parent spend a week at deer camp every year. That was their motivation to get into it, but a true newbie has no motivation to hunt. A true newbie needs to be shown how fun it can be and then you will have a life long hunter
 
Give it time life is to good.

Let it go back to a depression type economy and everyone will be dusting off the guns and getting out and hunting.

This push button world has caused people to just sit and order things rather then making them or atleast going out and working alittle to find them.

The NRA and hunting groups just have to hold on to what we have and wait for this cycle to end.
 
p35bhp09 said:
As I sit here at 3:08 am I have been thinking about how at least in Oregon hunting is on the decline. Now I realize there are many factors for this trend but one that affects both new and seasoned hunters is that fact that our access to quality public lands has decreased and fewer and fewer private landowners are willing to allow us access. And us hunters aren't helping the situation by keeping our prime grounds to ourselves. I know as I have my own "golden spots". But if we don't change our mode of thinking then our "way of life", our "sport", will soon pass. That goes for firearms as well. Everytime we gain a gun "right" we usually give one up as well. These compromises do not advance our cause they are merely that, compromises.
So when I return from my varmint hunting in northeast Oregon this weekend I am going to publicly document on this forum every animal sighting. Every coyote, rock chuck, sage rat, etc. It's time we help out the newbies who might give up on hunting otherwise and even the experience hunters who may have lost their favorite spot.

I am sure that is partially true. But I think MORE PEOPLE are willing to hunt than ever before. It is TIME. Time, who has it? Is there such a thing. Working, shopping, honey doing.... Jeez :confused:
 
I agree with the "take a newbie hunting" concept, and do when I have the chance (my wife, my shooting partner's girlfriend, my neices and nephew) but as for giving strangers the locations of my favorite hunts, I just don't know.

One of the problems of gaining new access is other hunters. Get too many people going to one spot you iether drive all the game out or in the case of private land, the place gets trashed and then no one has access to it.

Since growing up, I have seen my favorite quail hunting spot become a hiking park (no hunting now). I have seen my favorite deer hunting location become deerless due to over hunting. And finally, this year IDF&G closed my favorite turkey unit becuase there are just too many people.

I do share my places with my friends and trusted people, but I am not sure I will tell everyone else about it.

I know that sounds a-holish, and it is, I don't like the fact that my fellow "hunters" force me be that way but I don't see any other way.
 
The first step in taking a new or potential hunter out is to take them shooting. They have to enjoy this aspect (at least minimally) to truly want to be a hunter. Next step is a hunter safety course prior to a license. There can be a hunt for free day for small game (ie no license requried), but you still must have a fundamental knowledge of safety. Hunting is not quite the same thing as fishing as you are using a firearm which has a certain lethality to them.

GREAT HUNTERS AREN'T BORN, THEY ARE RAISED. PASS IT ON. This is an adeptation of the a similar quote for fisherman from the "Reel Men" calendar from last year.
 
The three biggest reasons that hunters are an endangered species:

1. Time Constraints.

2. Overregulation.

3. Reduced Land Access / Opportunities

Time Constraints-People are working more hours farther away from home. Hunting has become a weekend or holiday sport for many people. There are also many things competing for leisure time. Heck, my nephews spend hours staring into their phone, as one example.

Overregulation- If I want to take a new hunter out for Mallards, he will need a Hunter's Safety Course, A HIP Number, A Hunting License, A Habitat Stamp, A Federal Duck Stamp, and a State Duck Stamp. We had 23 different seasons for ducks and geese here in Nebraska. I tried to talk a guy into trying hunting, but he said he could take out a loan and buy a house with less paperwork.Compare this to paintball. But your paintball stuff and go out and have fun.

Reduced Land Access / Opportunities-Rural populations are declining, urban populations are increasing, so fewer people are connecting with those that have land. So, they lease land, or hire outfitters and guides that lease land.
We do have a lot of public land here in Nebraska, but everyone in Omaha thinks they should have to drive ten minutes to reach 10,000 acres of wilderness and have it all to themselves. Nope. The people in Long Pine, Nebraska don't expect to have a Super Target store or a new Mall opening soon because of their population, people in larger urban areas shouldn't expect good hunting in uncrowded places nearby because of their population.

At the present time, hunter numbers are dropping, the median age is decreasing, so much so that the Animal Rights people are now thinking that all they have to do is stand by until the numbers drop to a level that licenses and stamps no longer provide enough revenue to support hunting and fishing oriented State Wildlife Agencies, as well as the Fish & Wildlife Service.

Hunters, by nature, are too competitive for the good of the sport. We had an outfitter here in Nebraska throw an online hissy fit because someone gave away his "secret" public hunting spot, even though he leases some of the best goose hunting land for his clients. Too many hunters putting too much faith into secret or exclusive spots and none in their own hunting skills.
 
Kentucky does have free weekends for kids. My daughter went this past season for the first time.
Even though we didn't have any luck, she at least got to see what it's all about and got the chance to find out if she wanted to try it again.
All with minimal cost and expense.
 
Here's my take.

I live in Arkansas. I'm a native Arkie. I own a safe full of guns. I'm a certified handgun instructor and certified rifle coach.

You know what?

I'm not really a hunter.

I might technically qualify as a hunter, but I'm by no means serious about it.

I'm not against hunting. I grew up around it. I even hunt from time to time.

For example, for this past Christmas, I took to my parents' house a big crockpot full of Brunswick stew made with squirrels I personally killed, skinned, cleaned, and cooked.

I've been deer hunting off and on since I was about 12.

But I've never, ever, ever killed a deer. I've never even shot at a deer.

I even lived in Wyoming for two years, and hunted mulies on my own, and saw several, but never actually fired at one.

Now that I'm back home in Arkansas, my deer hunting consists of sitting on a limestone overhang near my backyard for a couple of hours, watching the holler below. That's about all the time I can devote to hunting.

I go deer hunting. But to me it's just not worth the effort and time and expense to "live the hunting lifestyle" and plan my entire year around hunting season.

I don't have the time to spend a lot of effort on it. I don't have large chunks of change I want to devote to it.

In the past I have hunted ducks (once about 10 years ago, and then about five years ago) snow geese (about five years ago) even tried turkeys a couple of times in my youth.

Right now, the most constant hunting in my life is that three out of the last four years has found me in a public dove field on the opening day of dove season, but I just couldn't get up the moxie to go this year.

That and squirrels...but then I can hunt squirrels any time where I live.

Here are the reasons why I'm not a serious hunter.

1) Hunting is "big business" and has pretty much priced me out of the good hunting. When I lived in Wyoming, I failed to bag a single big game animal because as a poor slob restricted to public land hunting, I was priced out of the market to hunt the really good places.

Near Gillette, WY, in Campbell County, is prime antelope habitat. There are antelope everywhere. But unless you're willing to plunk down between $150 to $400 just to set foot on somebody's private land, you're S.O.L. when it comes to hunting antelope. It was just too expensive to hunt antelope for me when I was there.

Now, go price how much an antelope hunt would be if you are an out-of-state hunter, and have to first buy the Wyoming out-of-state antelope permit, and then pay to hunt on private land, and pay for the state-required guide, and for transportation to Wyoming, etc. etc.......

Because hunting has become such a big business, the small-time hunter is basically screwed. No big rolls of cash? Then you don't get access to the good hunting spots, bucko.

One more example....when I lived in Wyoming, I was poor, so I hunted on the public lands of the Thunder Basin National Grasslands. But you know what? During hunting season, I had to constantly watch out for the idiots in their big trucks with license plates from Minnesota or California who drove all the way to Wyoming so they could hunt the already-pressured Thunder Basin National Grassland.

Which leads me to reason number 2 why I don't hunt seriously.

2) I don't hunt seriously because of other hunters.

I've had plenty of bad experiences with knee-walking, drooling, beer-swilling morons even in my comparatively limited hunting experiences. As a result, I really don't enjoy hunting when I am constantly in contact with friggin' morons who are also armed.

I've had rifle fire go near me. I've had slob hunters spook game that I had carefully stalked and played the wind for.....in Wyoming, after working my way through a quarter mile of Black Hills forest on a mule buck, some numb-nuts tromped over the crest of the nearby hill, saw the buck I was stalking, and hollered back over his shoulder, "Hey Jim! THERE'S A BIG OLD BUCK RIGHT UP HERE!!!" Within 15 seconds, that big old buck was about 3 counties away.

I haven't been duck hunting seriously because I just didn't enjoy having my position showered with steel shot raining in from three different directions. But hey, that's what you put up with when you are hunting on public lands because you can't afford to go "millionaire duck hunting' on private land in Stuttgart, Arkansas.

Idiots with guns is why I wasn't in the dove field this year, either. I saw too much armed stupidity out there the year before, and I just didn't want to go back this time. It just didn't seem like a good time.

So, in a nutshell, here's what I see wrong with hunting right now.

1) It's so freakin' expensive, that only folks who consider hunting their primary religion or folks with lots of spare cash can afford to do it well any more. The casual hunter, who used to be a large section of the hunting populace, is pretty much screwed by the realities of the marketplace right now.

If you just kind of, sort of like hunting, and are not willing to earmark thousands of dollars to do it, you're pretty much screwed. You can hunt, but only in over-hunted, crowded "public lands." The only places that have the really good hunting are for-profit operations on private lands.

2) Lots of folks who hunt, especially in the over-crowded public lands, are inconsiderate idiots who don't know the most basic etiquette, or who dont' give a damn about etiquette, especially if they've driven from several states over to hunt on some little patch of public land. The attitude seems to be that I'm from out of state, and nobody knows me, and I don't live here, so to Hell with the locals. It's not much fun to hunt crowded public land with so many armed idiots.

Fix those problems somehow.

Or see the number of hunters continue to decline and for hunting to die off.

hillbilly
 
bowfin nailed it as far as I'm concerned.

I didn't get out much this year, but a couple years ago I did a LOT of dove hunting. Even when there weren't many birds I was going 4 or 5 times a week in the afternoons. I had friends ask me all the time if they could come along. I had plenty of guns, ammo, camo, stools and other gear they could have used for free, which seems like a good way to get someone started on something new. In 30 minutes I could cover all of the safety they would need to know.

Unfortunately, before they can come along they would need to take the hunter safety course, buy a license, and pay for the "public land use" stamp. It is a huge investment of time and money for someone who isn't sure they'll want to do it more than once.
 
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