Times Square non-bomber had an EVIL gun!

[rDigital]

I love my Sub 2k. It's ridiculously reliable.

The NYT needs to get a new hobby. Being Bloomberg's mouth piece isn't helping their credibility at all.

 

[Oyeboten]

With each generation since FDR, fewer and fewer people are Firearms Literate as far as common sense, function, owning and operating at least one design, and, being comfortable with Firearms and their uses.

Some of what is so sad about this Article, is that both editors, reporters, and, their subscribing demographic, are increasingly in this boat - all they 'know' are the second hand emotion and dis-info, brought to them by others they look up to or over to, who know nothing else either...and you can bet this is what they will insist on for their children, too.

 

[Zack]

This article is one of the first I've seen in several years in the Times that is so pointedly one sided.

They've had many gun and hunting articles that have been very fair and even handed. I know because I've posted them here, and in the hunting section.

This was obviously a hatchet job at someones request. It's like those poll questions you get looking for donations from some group with an agenda. There's no way the questions are fair, some for the conclusions in this article.

The Times should be ashamed of themselves for this one, sorry to say.

They think they have a great story and they can run with their spin on guns because a wanna-be/fail bomber with a gun tryed to blow something up and they got on the ban wagon about guns. They are just trying to use this on the NRA/PRO GUN

 

[cchris]

This is really a shock, they actually got the name right.

Ordinarily, this gun would be classified as a "machine gun revolverpistol grenade launcher".

 

[Cosmoline]

non-bomber

Since seeing his photo I've been calling him the UNIBROWER

 

[rm23]

Not surprised. The media is still upset that this guy is not a white Christian conservative in his mid 40s with a gadsden bumper sticker on the SUV.

 

[ilikepancakes]

What is the little thing that points down from the stock between the grip and the recoil pad?

Barrel shroud.

 

[shotgunjoel]

At first I laughed. Then I realized that some of their readers actually believe this s***, so then I was ticked. I liked the part about how the gun shop had American flags. That gun dealer must be bad!

 

[lions]

Barrel shroud.

I thought that was the shoulder thing that goes up...

 

[ilikepancakes]

I thought that was the shoulder thing that goes up...

Oh yeah, that's a barrel shroud too. Don't worry about the paradox, it makes sense to the antis.

 

[akodo]

If someone is on the terrorist watch list...

I don't want them able to rent a rider van

or be employed as a schoolbus driver

or work as a gas station attendant

or work as an ambulance driver

or sit on juries

or vote in elections

or be able to be elected into public office

They should not be able to refuse a search of their person or vehicle of they are on the terrorist watch list


etc etc

The truth is, if you are on the terrorist watch list you should be BEING ACTIVELY INVESTIGATED OR ARRESTED BY THE POLICE AND CHARGED

and I don't believe you can strip a person's constitutional rights without at least some due process...and putting your name on a list is NOT due process.

A side-issue is that IF someone IS a terrorist suspect that the police are investigating, but they are doing it quietly because they want to find more information on him as they don't have enough for a conviction, or let's say they are wanting him to lead them to other terrorists, now all a REAL terrorist needs to do to see if his cover is blown is get the NICS background check run.

So you know where that is going to lead....FBI following a serious terrorist will choose to NOT put him on the watch list as to not tip their hands. The watch list will end up being a "Cover your A$$" list where they put everyone who is probably not a terrorist but MIGHT be, but real terrorists are kept off of it.

 

[Wildfire]

Bad guy list ?

Hey :
The issue about the gun was expected knowing where it came from.
No surprise here.

The fact that they were suspecting >> What ?? If that is true , how did he get there with that stuff in his car ?

Some one was sluffing off. FBI ??? Locals ? Who ?

They seem to be ignoring that part ... If on a suspected list, he never should have made it that far.. But then again that would not have made for very good News would it...

If you knew that your neighbors dog was mean and loose would you not watch for him before he got to the kids sand box ? Would he make it to that sand box ? Not in my yard he wouldn't....

 

[Kwanger]

And look at that. Another Evil-looking gun that hurt no one. No mention of the fact that he was on a no fly list and was still able to board a plane and almost leave the country. Maybe they have should have spent less time gawking at the carbine and moved to track him down quicker.

Not evil looking....FEARSOME looking, no less!

"It is fearsome looking, a carbine hybrid of a pistol and a long gun with a mouthful of a name: the Kel-Tec Sub Rifle 2000"

 

[Klusterbuck]

Pistol Caliber Carbine..... they make it sound like that's waaaay more evil than a rifle caliber carbine... it's basically a "Low Powered Rifle" just like my old 30-06 is a "High Powered Rifle". To read this article, you'd think it was a .50 BMG.

 

[rfurtkamp]

The creation of the 'hand grip' feature had me rolling when I read it yesterday morning - considering basically every single hand tool known to man has a 'hand grip' since it's awful hard to stick a mechanical something in your mouth and operate it with your tongue.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

On the SUB2000 thingy between the grip and butt: I thought it was the shoulder thing that went down.

Apparently if the Un-a-bomber had owned a rifle caliber "sporting purpose" shoulder gun with a fixed wood stock and all-metal construction approved by Elmer Fudd and the elite hunter clique of upstate New York, THAT would have been OK, but the real issue was that he had a Pistol caliber defensive weapon with a folding stock and plastic parts.

To me the real issue is that the ******* made a CAR BOMB and parked outside a theater showing the Lion King musical (think kiddie matinee folks) and no gun control law affected THAT. Jeez. Antigunners are obsessed with "scary looking guns" when there are real problems we need to worry about like Scary Acting People.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Bloomberg before Congress: "suspects on terrorism watch lists be blocked from buying guns and explosives"

I suspect that suspects on a watch list are red flagged if they buy guns and explosives but not alerted to the fact by denial of purchase so investigations can proceed to catch them unaware. I know that I, not on any watch list, would be red flagged if I simply bought two handguns in one day. Bloomberg has been asked by ATF to butt out before. He is a self righteous self promoting crusader hoping to make poltical hay.

This is like the kop killer bullet crusaders alerting the general public that uniformed police were routinely acquiring bulletproof vests but some bullets would defeat a vest designed to stop ordinary pistol rounds: no need to know such details.

 

[9teenEleven]

I am usually a defender of the Times. However, that is possibly one of the most biased piece of writing I've ever seen in a major newspaper. I am going to have to use that in my English class. There is no hope of objectivity for that author.

 

[wishin]

Rifle notwithstanding, it's clear to me that there should be tests and licensing requirements for bomb making.

 

[MisterMike]

When I first saw this thread, I thought that we might be overreacting a bit. Then I read the article . . . horrible. In addition to the numerous errors and misleading statements, there's almost nothing of news value in it; it's simply an attempt at fear-mongering. Pitiful journalism.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

If the bomber had been required to apply for a bomb license modeled on the New York Sullivan Law on handgun license, his first application would have automatically been denied at discretion of authority, thwarting his plans entirely.

I recall the 1950s handgun laws in my hometown requiring police approval of permit to purchase, 15 day waiting period, and discussion at the state level of banning handguns outright. Black market handgun traffic was rampant and hoodlums did not need no stinkin' permits. The idea of criminals or terrorists being prevented from acquiring guns by New York style gun laws is a bad joke.

 

[Warhawk83]

Not surprised. The media is still upset that this guy is not a white Christian conservative in his mid 40s with a gadsden bumper sticker on the SUV.

And THAT,my friends, is why they felt the need to mention the two American flags hanging outside the store. The gun store is inherently evil because the owner is patriotic.

 

[CoRoMo]

Dang, what's his secret. I haven't been able to find a Sub2K for the life of me!

 

[Guvnor]

What a blatantly biased, sensationalized pile of B.S.

Just imagine if it had been a bolt action deer rifle instead. Then we would have read all about it being a "FEARSOME, telescopic-sighted, HIGH POWERED, sniper rifle!"

 

[Zack]

What a blatantly biased, sensationalized pile of B.S.

Just imagine if it had been a bolt action deer rifle instead. Then we would have read all about it being a "FEARSOME, telescopic-sighted, HIGH POWERED, sniper rifle!"

lol no no no it would have been a bolt action rifle, they would have said, stay in your home! long ranger sniper telescopic-high powerd sniper rifle man is on the lose. Just firing 1 shot at a time by the bolt.