Titegroup

[rikman]

I've used 2 lbs because it was economical. But I found out this weekend, the hard way, not to use with lead. Wish I had found a warning. It really leaded up the outside of my cylinder and have spent the last 2 days scrubbing...some progress made a few stubborn specks of lead left. Going to try Shooters Choice Lead remover tomorrow.

I'll stick with slower,cooler powders for my lead pads, unique,231

 

[Peter M. Eick]

Like others have said, it burns hot. It works well with jacketed's but with lead I find it leaves a nasty "titegroup stain" that is hard to remove from my nice blued revolvers. For this reason I don't use it anymore. 231 or bullseye is a better choice for me.

 

[Stormin.40]

As others Titegroup was my first powder. I bought it because I wanted to reload cheap and thought if I could use half the powder that was the way to go. I stopped when I realized the real savings was in bullet choice not powder.

I am using the rest of my titegroup up pushing 155 grain LSWC out of my .40 S&W, since it works really well at low pressure I can lower my velocity to just under 900 fps and still cycle my pistol. My particular application is probably a niche one and not a reason to choose a powder. I don't find it particularly smoky at my reduced loads but will probably look at better options when I run out of this batch.

 

[lmccrock]

I've read elsewhere to avoid TG. They say it's unforgiving.

Titegroup is quite forgiving...compared to Clays.

The fast powders are for a type of performance. For a soft shooting 45 acp load, I use a small amount of TG and a heavy bullet. But loading it up to a ball-equivalent load means close to or exceeding their limit. I switched to Clays for an even softer feel but Clays has less headroom from my desired oomph (230gr at about 735 fps) to overpressure.

I used a bunch of 231 and would have no issue switching back, if I wanted more power.

 

[cfullgraf]

Interesting comments on Titegroup.

I have had some unpleasant experiences with Clays. Max level loads still got DEWC's stuck in a six inch barrel.

I have a pound of Titegroup to try but really expect not buy any more, purchased in a weak moment.

We will see.

 

[RustyFN]

I have used a few pounds of Titegroup. Works ok in 9mm. Tried it in 45 auto with lead bullets and didn't like it. I have three pounds left that I will use up in 9mm and 357 for my Marlin 1894 lever gun then I will probably go to a different powder. If you have half a pound I would at least try it.

 

[lonewolf5347]

I run clays in my 1911 and S@W 15
3.6 @ 200 SWC 45 cal.
2.9 in the 38 cal.
oustanding groups and a lot cleaner then W231
I never did try tightgroup

 

[fordfan]

I,m using titegroup to load up some 230gr rainier bullets. All the literature that I have says 4.4 gr to start and 4.8 max. My powder measure is measuring a 4.3 gr drop, my question is will this load effectively cycle my mil spec.

 

[25cschaefer]

I use it in my 40s&w and 38/357; it has always worked for me and I have had no problem with discolored brass but, I tend to load in the middle, not too hot not too slow. Never tried lead.

 

[LiveLife]

I,m using titegroup to load up some 230gr rainier bullets. All the literature that I have says 4.4 gr to start and 4.8 max. My powder measure is measuring a 4.3 gr drop, my question is will this load effectively cycle my mil spec.

Actually, Rainier Ballistics says to use lead load data for their plated bullets - http://www.rainierballistics.com/loaddata.php

Rainier Ballistics recommend using lead bullet load data when loading our bullets. There is no need for adjustment when using lead bullet load data. Our bullets are jacketed using an electroplating process and are softer than traditionally jacketed bullets; hence the recommendation to use lead bullet load data.

I am assuming you are loading 45ACP. Here's the load data from Hodgdon and I would conduct my powder workup from 4.0 gr as start charge.

230 gr Lead RN - Titegroup - Diameter .452" OAL 1.200" Start 4.0 gr (751 fps) 12,500 CUP - Max 4.8 gr (855 fps) 17,000 CUP

230 gr HDY FMJ FP - Titegroup - Diameter .451" OAL 1.200" Start 4.4 gr (744 fps) 15,000 CUP - Max 4.8 gr (818 fps) 16,700 CUP

 

[fordfan]

Thank you for that info it is greatly appreciated

 

[Hamish]

I use it for 9mm, .40 S&W, .38 Special, and .45 ACP. I like it because it meters well, is economical, and it is pretty consistent. I've used other powders that didn't meter well in my Lee Auto Disk, but TiteGroup is pretty consistent. You do have to be careful not to double charge a case - it really takes up little volume in the case, and I'm switching my .38 Special power to something else that fills the case more.

It is a little hot, but it burns well, and I especially like it in the 9mm, but it works well for me in .40 and .45 as well. I've used other powders, but found more problems with them than TiteGroup. IMR 800x really fills the cases and I was getting a lot of unburned powder. AA#7 shot great but metered poorly, TG works well for me.

 

[BBDartCA]

Its fine for 115g fmj 9mm. Very pleased with accuracy. Had fits with it throwing light charges with my Lee pro auto disc. Quite a bit dirtier than AA #5, #7 and Power Pistol. Got a bunch for cheap so got to get through it.

 

[Dunkelheit]

I used TG for .45 LC loads with 250gr cast bullets, accuracy was good but the dosage with the flake powder was a bit annoying.

 

[Hondo 60]

my question is will this load effectively cycle my mil spec.

fordfan,
By asking a totally unrelated question, you're doing what is known as "hi-jacking" a thread.
This is very much frowned upon by the high roaders.

Please start a new thread to ask questions in the future.

 

[area51]

Excellent input. Thanks all.

 

[fordfan]

Mr Hondo 60 I am sorry, that was not my intent

 

[zxcvbob]

By asking a totally unrelated question, you're doing what is known as "hi-jacking" a thread.
This is very much frowned upon by the high roaders.

Please start a new thread to ask questions in the future.

You are neither a moderator nor the original poster. If you think a post is inappropriate, there's a little red triangle button in the lower left you can press to report it -- it looks like this:

(I thought FF's question was just fine, it was about using Titegroup powder)

 

[CD8226]

Well I'll give a little different prospective on TG. As a CAS, I have used about 50 # over the past 7 or 8 years. I have not noticed or experienced any of the problems others have reported. My loads were in 44 Spl using a 160 grain cast bullet. Recoil is quite mild, the report is a little sharp, but the other competitors knew I was shooting. I never had any bigger problem with leading with TG than I have with other powders I used HP-38, 231 & 700-X. These loads were used in SS Ruger Vaquero's and a Cimmarron '73. But as another poster said " you either love it or hate it". If we all liked and used the same thing, here would only be one product available.