To Help A Friend Or Not, Decisions-Decisions

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If its legal for your friend to posses a gun, it should be legal for him/her to PURCHASE a gun. Now, if funds to purchase the gun are a problem, thats another story. I am another person who doesnt take the word friend lightly. I have 2 people outside of family that I call close friends; I grew up with them. If they needed money to buy a gun, I'd be glad to help out, and they could pay me back at thier convenience.
 
Like most of you folk's, I don't use the word friend loosely~!;)

I have a total of two male friends that I have known a long, long time;
and I feel totally comfortable with. I have several female friends; but
again only one that I feel 100% comfortable with. For those three, I
probably would do most anything that is legal too help. Keep in mind
that all three are able to buy, own, or possess a handgun of their
choosing; and all three have the funds to procure whatever firearm
they desire~!:) :D
 
Loaning a gun could possibly end in my "CA Dangerous Weapons Permit" being take'n away... I have a Special Power of Attorney just for my wife to take the guns I've bought or bulid for her outside of the house.

I'd never loan someone a gun, maybe make them one heck of a contracted person to person sale, but never loan... there's just too many Anti-Gun out there that would be all over it, if something happened with a Loaned Gun. Being in the Great State of Commy Kali, all my firearms I have in this state are DROS'd too me, so they'd trace the numbers back and in this state, "The Firearms Owner is responsible for the actions of the Firearm".

Just imagine if you loaned a gun out that was used in a deffensive situation, were the Bad Guy Perp Mugger was a 14 year old kid, and had a real looking AirSoft BB gun, not a real gun, now there is a dead kid... your Friend just did what he thought was right in self defence situation to preserve his life, but the Kids Parents are now looking to Sue, so they can live off of welfare and get a big settlement out of thier criminial child dieing. Personally I'd shed no tears for the kid, but the lawyers would eat it up, spin the facts... and that gun was registered to you and you loaned it to a child murderer!

The next thread to come up on the Highroad is; "I loaned my gun to a friend and now I'm being sued"
 
man! im glad i dont have freinds like some of you, i dont have alot of freinds but the ones i do have are just that! they dont have to prove any thing to me , just ask , you know that reminds me ! me and my closest freind grew up together as kids, i have known him many years, he has always had a fondness for a 20 ga side by side i had, it was given to me by my dad when i was 12, he always wanted that gun , and i turned down many trade offers from him, well years latter one year at christmas i gave it to him, money could not have bought that gun! any way to make a long story short that april my house burned to the ground, i lost 32 guns but not the 20 side by side i had all those years! he latter gave it back to me, he knew what it meant to me, last march i gave him a 4 inch 29 smith&wesson in the box, why? he said he always wanted one, mike:)
 
Very specific and aggravating factors for what was a very general and mitigated question.....

....that being said, I understand, and friends like that are priceless. :cool:



My original answer was to the original question as posed. NOT if the friend happened to have a history where he returned a firearms-related heirloom, and NOT if it's "grocerys or protection".

ONLY to post #1. And it still stands.
 
Acqauintences, buddies, pals and friends.

I've got hundreds of acquaintences. Lots of buddies. A few pals. Friends I can count on one hand with fingers left over. Those friends would get any and all help I can offer that is morally right. There's a difference between legal and moral.
 
Without going into a long discussion on all the why's and wherefores of this question.

As my Dad used to say " A friend is someone you will lend anything to except your woman and your toothbrush. "

So with that in mind , I can think of three people in the world that I would loan a gun to under those circumstances. ( And Dad is one of those !)


ddave
 
I have and would again. My very best friend of 30 years had only a Ruger 10/22 for a house gun..we lived in the same neighborhood..it it became a very bad area. he and his wife were both in their late 70's..I had a S&W mod 15 I loaned him for a house gun and gave him ammo for it..He kept it two years and I then sold it to him...He came down with throat cancer, and about 2 weeks before he died, I bought it back from him..Shortly after he died his wife gave me his 10/22..
 
If legal, why can't one make a face to face sale of the gun for say $50...

After giving the friend $50;)
 
It Depends

I have one dear friend to whom I wouldn't lend a sharp knife. He simply hasn't the composure and savvy.

I have another friend (okay, two) with military background and weapons experience, so he (they) would be okay -- but that breaks the question, since the assumption is little or no experience.

In light of the "little or no experience" clause, I would have to say "no" in this case. If I were able to see to the initial training and practice of said friend, imparting the Commandments Of Safety, and could know that storage and transport were responsibly addressed, then I could allow it.

If I couldn't address the training/practice/safety/storage/transport thing prior to the loan, I would not go through with it.

Also, because it's legal to perform private transfers where I live, I'd draw up a "bill of sale" to cover the ownership thing during the loan period.

Why do I place the training/etc limiter on my willingness to help a friend? Simple: I would not, myself, borrow a weapon from a friend without making him first train me in its use. Otherwise I'd be just as likely to hurt myself as protect myself.
 
^ good points on the inexpertise part of the equation....

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I guess I will go ahead and share a story on this. I have a twin brother... it doesn't get any closer than that. He's not really into guns at all. I tried to "loan" him something once, per his request. Came to his apartment for a visit one day, and there was my mousegun with too many rounds stuffed into the mag and hidden in plain sight by shadows in the den. I suppose this was his idea of securing the weapon at home; any random unscrupulous maintenance man, chick from the bar or what have you could have made my piece grow legs *easily*.


That broke me on the whole "loaner" thing pretty quick. Especially if they don't even halfway know (and respect, and understand the responsibility of) guns to begin with.
 
Folk's, believe it or not that type of situation almost arose at work yesterday,
01 Nov. 06~!:uhoh:

You see, two gentleman approached me at the gun sales counter; one of
whom I reconized as being a previous customer who had bought a handgun
and financed it through our 12 months cash as cash (NO interest) program,
as set up with one of the local finance companys. He proceeds to explain
that he has paid his weapon off; and now its time to help his buddy out
who needed a hunting rifle/scope/and ammo. He says to me, "Its OK for
my friend to use my credit to purchase this necessary equipment; as me
and my wife talked it over, and we feel this is the right thing to do".

Both parties were present, and both presented a vaild state of Alabama
drivers license as picture ID. Then, we verified the original customers
credit line with the finance company; and then verified with the ATF
that the said weapon was too be "gifted" to the recipient. That was
OK by them, so the 4473 was completed by the actual buyer; and the
sales contract was completed (and signed) by the borrower.

Moral of this story is, it is not illegal to gift a weapon to someone so long
as proper procedure is followed. So, all is well that ends well~!:)
 
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