Too Much Recoil!

[alucard0822]

I suspect a love for big recoil and bruised shoulders might just fall into the catagory of many other activities that release endorphine and adrenaline. If you are the type that loves getting tatoos, habanero chili (guilty as charged) rollercoasters and sky diving, this could explain recoil addiction, I have known more than a few that would get giggle silly lighting off box after box of 3.5" magnums, 454 casull, or 45-70. I like to shoot a lot, and it is not uncommon to go through a couple hundred rounds every time I go to the range, so I tend to stick with what I would consider light to moderate recoiling firearms, up to a light 44mag in a 6" revolver, a M44 mosin (147gr) or 2 3/4" 12ga slugs. Anything bigger normally costs too much to reload, and isn't as much fun being that I can't shoot more than a few rounds. I never really thought my M44 mosin kicked all that bad, the stock takes a little getting used to, as it is kinda shoulders a little funny, but if you lock it in the right place, with 200gr ball it feels no worse than a light 308win hunting rifle with a warm 168gr load. I don't really have a need for anything larger, and mostly shoot smaller stuff.

 

[loose cannon]

bluestarlizzard;i wonder if the size of the guns grip isnt causeing your problems with recoil.if your hand is improperly positioned the recoil will smack the base of your thumb knuckle on the palmside. g21s are rather fat in the grip.

you may want to do research on the upcoming g21sf which has smaller demensions in the grip back to front.its not on the market yet but soon will be
if what i said was right this may be the answer for your problem.

another option is a grip reduction by robar.

 

[USMC_2674]

loose cannon,

I'd say that the g21sf IS on the market as I am wearing one on my hip right now.

 

[bluestarlizzard]

loose cannon, that is exsactly what the problem is. the 21 has a very big grip and i have very small hands.
right now i'm in the process of learning to shoot and handle every gun in my dads collection, so i'm working on that (it may take awhile and i'm stubborn enough to want to shoot each well). we did talk about the grip reduction for it. however it is also one of my dads favorites, so buying the new one is out until i have some more money and work my way down the list of the other things that are wanted (long list).
i was thinking about trying one of those grip sleeves, and i think i found one on Lone Wolf that would do it.

 

[The Deer Hunter]

If we beat on your shoulder with M91/30's, will that count as recoil?


No really, whats the point of this? To show off how bad @$$ you are? I know what a lot of recoil is and it is sometimes painful but I try not to let it bother me. You don't see me making threads about how I shot my M44 400 times one time, and then followed up by 100 3 1/2" magnum 12GA slugs...

 

[akodo]

I've known a few recoil braggarts before. Thing is, they would pick up and shoot anything, the more recoil the better....but hitting stuff was another matter.

There are degrees of recoil reaction. A guy might be able to do .5 MOA groups if he fires a 243, but he never knows this, he is a man's man, can handle recoil, would never bother with such a wussie loading, and keeps on blasting 3 MOA groups with his 300 winmag.

You want to impress someone with being able to handle recoil? Fine, first set out your basic parameters, how accurately can you shoot a 22 hornet? Now, if you want to impress somone with your recoil tolerance, duplicate that quality of shooting with a real pounder.

Just because you can throw lead down the feild without tearing up or dropping the gun doesn't mean you are really handling the recoil.

 

[CNYCacher]

I was at a store called "Jensen Arms" in colorado (I think it was in longmont).
Anyways they had crates full of these old old old Russian rifles. They were only 80 bucks each and they were super cool antiques. They guy got some amazing deal on them.
I think they too a 30/o6 round though, so you could TOTALLY hunt with them. They guy said they were fun as hell, and kicked harder than anything he'd ever fired before.
The other guy there told me they "Kicked like a mule".

You are definately talking about Mosin-Nagant rifles. Some other guys in this thread mentioned them, M44 and 91/30 were the most popular models.

They are still available all over for Cheap.

 

[Spinner]

Actually, I think Akodo has hit the nail squarely on the head.

Repeatedly firing a hard thumping rifle is one thing, but duplicating your best levels of accuracy with it is something completely different. I think there is a general acceptance that more powerful calibres are going to produce more recoil and that additional recoil WILL adversely affect your accuracy. If you can replicate your accuracy with a light recoiling calibre with a real thumper then you are truly coping with the recoil.

Most of us balance acceptable accuracy with sufficient power to the do the job.

Recoil for recoils sake can be fun for a bit (maybe) but continued it makes about as much sense as crushing beer cans on your forehead.

Spinner

 

[bogie]

Yawn.

I think the most insane THR member has gotta be John Ross, both with his .500 project, and the ultralight .44 magnums... Was watching folks shoot the .44s, and I kept expecting someone to embed a front sight in their forehead...

Hardest recoil I ever got was a magnum buckshot (or maybe it was a deer slug...) out of a pistol-gripped 12 gauge Mossy...

 

[MikeS63301]

Perhaps a .700 Nitro would get you where you want to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H00gshZW9Po

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BYnG4vrb-U&NR=1

 

[polekitty]

OK---give it a little time---you’ll get old too and you’ll feel the recoil. I used to carry Corbon (+P+ stuff) in my P-14, but finally decided that a 45 doesn’t need anything that hot. And since I like to carry what I practice with (and vs./vs.) I’ve given that up. The nice wide grip on my P-14 spreads out the recoil very nicely---I never did like being beat to death just for the fun of it! Now I like Hornaday 200gr in my 45---it’s potent and very mild recoil, great for these old muscles. Go right on beating yourself to death, I’ll still be shooting when you can no longer hold your coffe mug.

 

[Owen Sparks]

I think a key component in handling recoil is spreading the "moment of force" out over a longer period of time. When I was a kid I knew some brothers who were daring each other to shoot dad's big 12ga. The stock was way too long for them so one of the brothers tucked it up under his arm and placed the butt against a tree. When he fired it the stock shattered. The same type of damage happens to the shooters body if his shoulder is immobilized against a wall or the ground. When recoil forces act within a much shorter period of time, it intensifies it. That's why a lighter man will "go with the flow" and not soak up as much sudden force as the heavy weight who's sheer mass holds him in place.

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