Took the plunge, CZ-82 on the way!

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Yep,

Figured I needed another 9x18mm Mak platform to split time with my P-64. Everything I've read and seen of the CZ-82 has been more than favorable. I decided to finally order one with the holster and spare mag to boot before they really start drying up. Should be here maybe tomorrow, maybe Monday!

Really looking forward to it. :cool: I'll post my impressions once it arrives!
 
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Ok,

Got mine in last week. Finish was pretty nice actually, not too bad at all and I did ask for the hand pick best available so I'm pleased. Had a bit of holster wear etc but not bad for an issue pistol from 1987. It came with a nice black holster, 2 mags, mag holster and a cleaning rod. I got mine from SOG for $199.

Anyway, took it to the range yesterday and I'm in love. Just wow. I'm amazed at the accuracy and how nice it points and shoots. Trigger is splendid even in DA. Honestly, I'm really falling for the Eastern European surplus stuff. My polish P-64 and now this CZ-82 both function flawlessly and shoot as good or better than my stuff that goes for 3 times as much money. The P-64 has taken over as my daily carry. It's just ultra comfortable and concealable and I do have to say I'm really liking the 9x18 Mak cartridge. Much cheaper to shoot these days.

Worked flawlessly without a hiccup as I pretty much expected from what I've read of these pistols. Fed the Silver Bear without a hitch. I shot a total of 100 rounds, everything fed and ejected with no problems.

So here's my picture. This was the first 12 shots I took with the CZ two handed at 10 feet. I have a feeling it's going to become quickly one of my favorites. Can't wait to go shoot it some more.

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nice little guns. pretty snappy recoil, though, considering the weight of the gun and relative weakness of the cartridge.
 
I really didn't find the recoil too bad, but then again I'm used to the small blowbacks having lots of practice with my PPK/s and Polish P-64. I thought the CZ was a touch less and more controllable than the formers exactly because of the heavier weight of the CZ.

Regardless I REALLY like this one. The accuracy is really notable too, IMHO.
 
recoil is going to be more noticeable on these guns because they are a straight blowback, just like a PPK. It is also what makes it more accurate because it has a fixed barrel. However if you want snappy, get the CZ83 which is the .380 version...now that is snappy. The CZ-82 is an absolute joy to shoot compared to the walther ppk that I had ( what a pain).
 
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recoil is going to be more noticeable on these guns because they are a straight blowback, just like a PPK. It is also what makes it more accurate because it has a fixed barrel. However if you want snappy, get the CZ83 which is the .380 version...now that is snappy. The CZ-82 is an absolute joy to shoot compared to the walther ppk that I had ( what a pain).
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Are you saying the .380 is snapper than the Mak 9x18.....not in my world. It is closer to a 9x19 Lugar and that hot S&B stuff is better than 9x19.
 
I had such good results going to a heavier recoil spring in my P64, I did the same thing with my CZ82...It really makes a noticeable difference in recoil.
 
I wouldn't feel poorly armed with my CZ-82 due to both its accuracy and reliability, not to mention its commendable 12+1 capacity. However the 9x18 is, in my opinion, still only marginal for defense.

It is closer to a 9x19 Lugar and that hot S&B stuff is better than 9x19.
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If we define "better" as being more cute, sure. It does not in any way rival the 9x19 in energy, regardless how hot the 9x18 is (including the tremendously hot 115gr and 120gr Silverbears of yesterday).
 
When it is all said and done, the 9x18 has filled many a grave in it's time. I sure as hell would not want to get hit with one! I feel very adequately armed with my P 64, and talk about cute. It sure is. I just can't get it out of my wife's purse. Guess I am going to have to buy another for myself.

My CZ 82 will reach out and touch you at 50 yards with out any problem. I also have no problems hitting the 55 gallon burning drum I have about a 100 yards out in the field either. Have you tried the Silver Bear 95 JHP"S yet....nice!
 
I love my 82. Out of all the pistols I own, it's the only one that has had no failures whatsoever. Even ammo related. I am very accurate with it, and it points very naturally. Just an amazing handgun for not a whole lot of money.
 
Nice choice going with the Makarov caliber. I have never understood this gun in .380. With that size and weight there is better than .380.
 
Yep agreed. The whole reason I wanted one was to have another 9x18 Makarov platform. Really love this pistol. It is amazing that one can still find such quality for cheap. I really have to say both my CZ-82 and P-64 are high quality guns for next to nothing. Can't go wrong with either in my opinion.

Definitely gonna carry the CZ too in certain situations and certain clothes. The P-64 carries the easiest of anything I own.

I just ordered quite a few more boxes of silver bear along with some surplus rifle stuff (8mm Mauser and 7.62x54R).
 
In the fixed barrel Blow Back design, the Cz-82 is the best there is in Makarov 9x18. The 9x18 round is still a favored sub machine gun round in that part of the world and seems to demonstrate superior feeding characteristic for size and weight. it seems to have succeeded where the short, fat .45 acp failed.
 
Here's my P-64. This was a great gun show find in my opinion. It's a like new 1967. Pretty sure this one was unissued and barely if ever fired.

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CZ 82s are fun little blasters for the cash outlay.

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Probably overbuilt for the 9mm Mak cartridge, but it's nice to know you can run it hot if you reload. Czech factory mil-spec 9x18 was said to be the hottest Mak ball ammo produced in Europe.

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From what I remember reading, Seller & Bennott did produce some hotter 9x18 Makarov Ammunition after the break up of the former USSR at the request of the Czech Military.

I can state from my experience, the S&B 9x18 Makarov FMJ does appear to be hotter than the Russian steel cased ammo. That also goes for the WWB contracted to Winchester as well in my opinion.
 
Across two chronographs that I've owned S&B averages less than 950 fps. That includes both their brass cased and steel cased varieties, and the 9x18 they make for Winchester. The current version of Silver Bear - both the FMJ and HP - averages just over 950 fps.

S&B is one of the favorites in the 9x18 community - good reliable ammo, brass cased and reloadable.

I like to collect and test 9x18. If there is a reference to a hotter S&B round that was produced I'd appreciate seeing it.
 
That's interesting. When did you test the ammo? Maybe the Russian ammo I am using is underpowered. I do know the S&B makes my Polish P 64 kick like a rented mule and that is my only way to gauge it.

I believe I saw the article about the hot S&B stuff on the CZ America Threads about a week ago. If I am correct, they were also using different weight bullets as well. They were stating that only the CZ-82 could handle the stuff. I was just scanning through looking for some new grips for my 82 and it caught me eye. If I run across it again I will PM it to you.

When you are reloading 9x18 do you use 9x19 brass and cut them down like all the guys seem to be doing?
 
S&B brass case 9x18 ammunition seems no hotter from my CZ-82 nor did it seem to recoil more from my IJ-70 when I had it. But if I remember correctly, S&B also offered a steel cased load that did seem a bit hotter (I was also warned not only was it Berdan primed but likel corrosive, being made in the mid to late 80's). Perhaps this is what you're referring to. It certainly seemed to be repackaged military surplus.
 
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lilmf,

I've used S&B to "calibrate" my chrony for at least 4 years. Whenever I set up to test a new 9x18 round I first fire some S&B through the screens to see if everything was set up well. I have shot brass cased S&B that was purchased in Maryland, Texas, and Washington and it's all consistent; below 950 fps.

I don't trim 9x19 to reload as I make so much empty 9x18 brass I haven't needed to.

Snowdog, the steel-cased S&B that comes in 24-round white boxes has a headstamp "9 mmM S & B" which isn't military. Samco sold it for years but I don't see it listed now. It was newly manufactured with a Berdan primer but wasn't corrosive. If S&B ever exported a military round with a corrosive primer I'd sure like to get some.

The 9x18 military ammunition I've tested - Chinese and East German - generally flies over 1,000 fps.

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?299-9x18-Ammunition-Data-Post
 
"Czech factory mil-spec 9x18 was said to be the hottest Mak ball ammo produced in Europe."

Can you give a source for that opinion agtman?
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NB:

I've seen that reference to the hotter-than-norm Czech ammo twice now - once on a CZ board and in another place I can't lay my finger on just yet, but it was back when I was researching the ballistics of 9x18mm ammo. (If I can find it again, I'll post the link here).

However, it strikes me that this hotter Czech "M&P ammo" wasn't produced by S&B, or, if so, wasn't marked (or otherwise id-ed) as being S&B Mak ammo.

Sorry if that's not more helpful ...

I have the above CZ 82 as well as a pristine-condition E.German Makarov picked up in the late 90s.

The 82, due to its double-stack ergonomics IMO, handles my hot reloads better, even though both are fixed-barrel, "blowback" recoil designs.

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