Top Breaks, Break Tops, Tip-Ups, Show ‘Em if You Got ‘Em

Great stuff people, thanks for sharing.

Those full size Smiths, well, let’s just say they raise my heart beat a few clicks.

Hope to see more break tops here!
 
TheS&W Perfected thrown in the above post, and also in post 5 here, are an interesting combination of Smith old and new technology.

Both the top latch and side latch must be used to open the action, and the internals, including a hammer block on later production, were lifted from newer side swing cylinder models.

Here’s an interesting article on them: https://www.gun-tests.com/handguns/working-the-smith-wesson-38-double-action-perfected-model/
 
H&R 999 Sportsman

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Ahhh, I want one of those so bad!
 
So it sets in the safe, a pretty - almost example of a famous top break 19th Century revolver.
It kinda sucks it won't shoot black powder but. I'd like to own one. Never could afford one though. Seems it would still work for Cowboy shooting. Or does Cowboy shooting require black powder?
 
My S&W 3rd model Double Action in 38 S&W, made in 1886, with some Morgan silver dollars from the same era.
Very fancy, very nice! Do you know if the engraving is factory and if the finish is original?

It seems to have the same style front and rear sights as the Iver Johnson, unfortunately not very effective.
 
It kinda sucks it won't shoot black powder but. I'd like to own one. Never could afford one though. Seems it would still work for Cowboy shooting. Or does Cowboy shooting require black powder?
John,

The partial but not entirely satisfactory solution I found is to load 27-28g of what's left of my pound of Hodgdon Black-MZ. I top it with any 230g lead bullet (intended for 45 ACP) and the gun functions. I'm told the Black-MZ was just re-labled APP black powder substitute. It gives me a satisfying cloud of smoke but no BP aroma. APP powders are known for not fouling so at least the gun works. I put about 20 rounds so loaded through it and the Schofield functioned through them all. Still it is a disappointment.

Dave
 
Howdy

I will start with Smith and Wesson Tip Ups.

Top to bottom, #2 "Old Army", six shot 32 Rimfire, shipped July of 1863.
# 1 1/2 First Issue, five shot, 32 Rimfire, shipped October 1865.
# 1 2nd Issue 7 shot 22 short. Shipping date unknown.

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Here is why they were called Tip Ups. Unlike the Top Break pictured at the top, which was reloaded by rotating the barrel and cylinder down, Tip Ups were loaded by depressing a latch at the bottom of the barrel which allowed the barrel to rotate UP, or tip Up. The cylinder was removed, and the empties poked out with the rod mounted at the bottom of the barrel. Then the cylinder was charged with new ammo, the cylinder was replaced in the frame, and the barrel rotated down and latched. The Tip Ups were a very simple design, but not very strong. Never chambered for anything stronger than 32 Rimfire. S&W experimented with a 44 caliber Tip Up but determined the mechanism was not strong enough for a 44 caliber cartridge.

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The six shot #2 Old Army was the biggest and most powerful Tip Up S&W made. Six shots of 32 Rimfire. Because S&W controlled the Rollin White patent for cylinders that were bored through to accept cartridges loaded from the rear until 1869, other manufacturers such as Colt and Remington were legally forbidden from making any revolvers with chambers bored through from the rear. So while the big 44 Caliber Colt and Remington Cap & Ball revolvers were more powerful than the 32 Rimfire Tip Ups, the Tip ups were faster to reload and many officers bought them with their own funds. As far as I know, there were no government contracts with S&W to purchase Tip Ups during the Civil War.

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This #2 Old Army was converted to fire 22 Rimfire ammo.

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The cylinder and barrel were sleeved to accept 22 Rimfire, and the "ejection rod" under the barrel was sized down to eject 22 Rimfire cases. Although it will accept 22 Long Rifle ammo, I have only ever fired it with lightly loaded 22 Shorts.

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At the top of this photo is a S&W #1 1st Issue, 5th Type. At the bottom is a Tip Up made by the Manhattan Revolver Company. I do not know when it shipped, or how Manhattan got around the White patent which exclusively licensed S&W to produce revolvers with bored through cylinders. Perhaps it was made after the White patent expired in 1869.

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Top Breaks.

We will start with the big Smith and Wesson #3 top Breaks.

The Rollin White patent, which gave S&W exclusive rights to manufacture revolvers with bored through chambers, was due to expire in 1869. White tried to renew the patent, but that is another story. Smith and Wesson was convinced that once the White patent expired, Colt, Remington, et al would be ready with designs employing cylinders bored through that could be loaded with cartridges from the rear. So they went to work designing a truly revolutionary revolver. It was a Top Break, meaning that to reload the barrel and cylinder were rotated down. The new revolver employed an automatic ejection feature. As the revolver was broken open, the extractor rose up lifting the empty cartridges. As the barrel reached its full rotation, the extractor snapped down. In theory, the empties would be ejected, but live ammo with bullets still attached would fall back down into the chambers. I say "in theory" because in my experience ejecting the empties was helped by rotating the revolver to the side as the ejector snapped down, allowing the emptied to fall free.

Interestingly enough, when the White patent expired, it took Colt several years to produce 'conversion' revolvers; Cap & Ball revolvers converted to accept cartridges, and the famous Single Action Army did not appear until 1873., When the SAA appeared, it was not as sophisticated as the S&W revolvers, the design was based on the older Colt Cap & Ball revolvers, and it could only be loaded one chamber at time, through a side loading gate.

The first of the S&W Top Breaks was the American Model, manufacutered from 1870 to 1872. Some of the American Models were chambered for 44 Rimfire Russian, but most were chambered for the 44 American cartridge that had a 'heeled' bullet, meaning the rear of the bullet was slightly smaller in diameter and fitted inside the cartridge case. The outer diameter of the heeled bullet and the cartridge case were the same.

This is not an American Model, it is a First Model Russian. Externally the same as the American Model, but chambered instead for the 44 Russian cartridge. (Actual American Models are too expensive for my pocketbook.) This one has had the barrel cut down a bit, and an old coin substituted for the front sight.

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My First Model Russian broken open with 44 Russian ammo.

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A Second Model Russian, chambered for 44 Russian ammunition. Note the distinctive shape of the frame, including the pointed 'knuckle' above the grip and the charcteristic spur on the trigger guard.

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The Russian Model broken open with the extractor raising the empties, before it pops back down.

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Unlike the 1st Model Russian, the 2nd and 3rd Model Russians shared the features of the large, pointed knuckle above the grip and the spur on the trigger guard. These were features the Russians insisted on. The knuckle was there to prevent the revolver from rotating in the hand during recoil, and it did this very well. Unfortunately, in my experience cocking the hammer required moving the hand up so the palm was in contact with the pointy knuckle. Then regripping was required to position the hand below the knuckle. If the revolver was fired with the palm of the hand in contact with the knuckle, recoil drove the point into the palm and it hurt, even with relatively mild recoiling 44 Russian ammunition. I have heard many explanations for the spur on the trigger guard, most of them do not hold water. I think the Russians just wanted it there as a European style embellishment. In fact, the spur was sawed off the trigger guard of many Russian revolvers in the Old West.




The Schofield Model. Six shots, chambered for the 45 Schofield cartridge. This one is a First Model and shipped in 1875. Note the distinctive frame mounted, serpentine shaped barrel latch.

Colt had procured contracts with the Army for the Single Action Army in 1873, chambered for the 45 Colt cartridge. Smith and Wesson did not want to miss out on lucrative government contracts but the Army required a 45 caliber cartridge. S&W was busy producing the Russian Models, eventually shipping over 150,000 to Russia, Turkey, and Japan, which were chambered for the 44 Russian cartridge. It would be no problem to open up the bore of the barrel and cylinder from 44 to 45, but the cylinders of all the S&W #3 Top Breaks were not long enough to accommodate the 45 Colt cartridge. S&W did not want to retool for longer cylinders and frames to fit a longer cylinder. A compromise was reached with the 45 Schofield cartridge; 45 caliber but short enough to fit the 1 7/16" long cylinders of a #3 revolver.

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The Schofield Model was only manufactured from 1875 until 1877 in two models, and a total of only about 9,000 were made. The Colt SAA could interchangelbly fire the longer 45 Colt ammunition or the shorter 45 Schofield ammunition, but the Schofield model could only chamber and shoot the shorter Schofield round. This photo compares 45 Colt and 45 Schofield ammunition. The longer rounds are 45 Colt, the shorter rounds are 45 Schofield. The copper cased rounds in the center of the photo are the original Benet primed rounds, the two outer rounds are my own reloads. It has long been speculated that the 45 Colt ammunition was accidentally shipped to units armed with Schofield revolvers, but I have never found any documentation to back that up. Regardless, by 1878 the Army had surplussed out all the Schofield revolvers, many of them ending up in the Old West. Several hundred had their barrels shortened to 5" and sold to Wells Fargo.


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The frame mounted barrel latch of the Schofield model was unique to this model. Col George Schofield had been working on modifying #3 latches on American Models around 1871. His objective was to make it easy for a mounted cavalryman to break open his revolver with one hand. The latches on the American and Russian models required two hands, one on the frame and the other reaching up to unlatch the barrel and rotate it down. Schofield's improvement allowed a mounted cavalryman to unlatch the revolver with one hand, while holding the reins with his other hand. He would sweep the barrel against his leg, opening the revolver and ejecting the empties. A skilled rider could then reload and snap the revolver shut again. Schofield patented his latch. When S&W began producing the Schofield model in 1875, they had to pay a royalty to Schofield for his patented latch. Daniel Wesson instructed his engineers to come up with an alternative latch that got around Schofield's patent, but by the time production ended in 1877 they had not come up with an alternative.

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The Smith and Wesson New Model Number Three. The finest of all the Smith and Wesson #3 Top Breaks. Chambered for 17 different cartridges, but 44 Russian was most common. Cataloged from 1878 until 1908, this one shipped in 1896. Note the reduced knuckle on the grip, and the return to the older style, barrel mounted barrel latch.

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This one is chambered for 44 Russian, but of course I only shoot it with ammunition loaded with Black Powder.

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One other note. All of the revolvers posted here are built on the large #3 sized frame. But notice that all have very distinctive shapes. As Roy Jinks once said, "all Schofield revolvers are Number Threes, but not all Number Threes are Schofields.




Only ten images are allowed per post, I will have to post photos of the 44 Double Action in a little while.
 
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As promised, the #3 S&W 44 Double Action. This was the only large frame Top Break revolver that Smith and Wesson made.

Manufactured from 1881 until 1913. Chambered for a variety of cartridges, but 44 Russian was most common.

This one shipped in 1881. It was refinished at some point, hence the blued hammer and trigger. I had an old coin mounted to replace a poorly executed replacement front sight.

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A nickel plated target model that shipped in 1895. The rear sight is adjustable for windage, and the front sight has a bead on top.

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The rear sight of the target model. Adjustable for windage by loosening the two screws and sliding the blade right or left, then tightening the two screws.

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The bead front sight of the target model.

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That's all for now, I will post photos of some smaller Smith and Wesson Top Breaks tomorrow.
 
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As promised, the #3 S&W 44 Double Action. This was the only large frame Top Break revolver that Smith and Wesson made.

Manufactured from 1881 until 1913. Chambered for a variety of cartridges, but 44 Russian was most common.

This one shipped in 1881. It was refinished at some point, hence the blued hammer and trigger. I had an old coin mounted to replace a poorly executed replacement front sight.

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A nickel plated target model. The rear sight is adjustable for windage, and the front sight has a bead on top.

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The rear sight of the target model. Adjustable for windage by loosening the two screws and sliding the blade right or left, then tightening the two screws.

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The bead front sight of the target model.

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That's all for now, I will post photos of some smaller Smith and Wesson Top Breaks tomorrow.
You should open a museum that members could visit.
 
Well, I guess this one qualifies. It IS a top break.

Made by Barra Air Guns, it's a "replica" shall we say of the Smith and Wesson Schofield. It shoots .177 cal BB's from it's six round cylinder. The BB's are loaded into a brass cartridge, the cartridges are then loaded into the cylinder in the normal manner. A standard CO2 cartridge is stored under the fake wood grips. It's a single action gun, that breaks by pulling back on the rear sight. Single action is in the normal manner. A sharp downward snap of the barrel will cleanly eject the "cartridges, but it's much easier to simply open the action slowly, leaving the cartridges in place so they can be reloaded in place. The cartridge is about the size an appearance of 38 Special for what it's worth. There is no danger since a 38 won't fit, and there is no firing pin or such even if you somehow managed to.

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I've never actually fired it, so I can't tell you how it shoots. I'm not really an air gun guy but I picked up a few during the pandemic, mostly out of boredom, and because they were relatively inexpensive, and because I knew I'd never spring for a "real" one. I think this one was about a 100 bucks delivered to my door in a couple of days. I'll get it out sometimes when watching TV and just sit there working the action. I don't know if dry firing them will hurt them so I slip a little piece of plastic under the hammer. No damage I can see so far.

Oh, the construction is all metal, except for the plastic grips. Some kind of aluminum alloy, but it has a nice heft to it. This one has a 5" barrel...I know they make longer, 7-8 inches, but I'm a sucker for a shorter barrel.
 
Well, I guess this one qualifies. It IS a top break.

Made by Barra Air Guns, it's a "replica" shall we say of the Smith and Wesson Schofield. It shoots .177 cal BB's from it's six round cylinder. The BB's are loaded into a brass cartridge, the cartridges are then loaded into the cylinder in the normal manner. A standard CO2 cartridge is stored under the fake wood grips. It's a single action gun, that breaks by pulling back on the rear sight. Single action is in the normal manner. A sharp downward snap of the barrel will cleanly eject the "cartridges, but it's much easier to simply open the action slowly, leaving the cartridges in place so they can be reloaded in place. The cartridge is about the size an appearance of 38 Special for what it's worth. There is no danger since a 38 won't fit, and there is no firing pin or such even if you somehow managed to.

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I've never actually fired it, so I can't tell you how it shoots. I'm not really an air gun guy but I picked up a few during the pandemic, mostly out of boredom, and because they were relatively inexpensive, and because I knew I'd never spring for a "real" one. I think this one was about a 100 bucks delivered to my door in a couple of days. I'll get it out sometimes when watching TV and just sit there working the action. I don't know if dry firing them will hurt them so I slip a little piece of plastic under the hammer. No damage I can see so far.

Oh, the construction is all metal, except for the plastic grips. Some kind of aluminum alloy, but it has a nice heft to it. This one has a 5" barrel...I know they make longer, 7-8 inches, but I'm a sucker for a shorter barrel.
Interesting!

Can we see one of the “cartridges”, please.
 
Howdy Again

Now for the smaller (smaller than S&W #3 revolvers) Top Breaks in my collection. By the way, some folks say Break Top, but I always say Top Break. Probably because that is the nomenclature used by Supica and Nahas in their book the Standard Catalog of Smith and Wesson. I urge anyone who is interested in Smith and Wesson revolvers to buy a copy, it is absolutely the best book available about Smith and Wesson and their products, not just revolvers but semi-automatics and bunches of other stuff too. Currently available as the 4th Edition, I like to refer to my 3rd Edition because I know where everything is in it. The 3rd edition was published in 2006 and I am not interested any S&W revolvers made since then.

I will start with the only Top Break in my collection that is not a Smith and Wesson. I bought this 38 S&W Iver Johnson Safety Hammerless about 20 years ago. I paid about $100 for it. Iver Johnson completely redesigned their revolvers around 1900 or so. The mechanism was changed a bit, and better steel was used, so they became safe to shoot with factory ammunition loaded with Smokeless powder. As was previously discussed, there are 3 ways to tell if an Iver Johnson revolver is safe to shoot with Smokeless ammunition. The little owl on the grips faces backwards, the locking slots on the cylinder have hard edges top and bottom, and the hammer spring is a coil spring. Even if the grips have been changed for older ones with the owl facing forward, a coil mainspring under the grips will tell the tale.

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This is my oldest, smaller, S&W Top Break, a 38 Single Action, 1st Model, also known as the Baby Russian. So named because of the long ejector housing, similar in appearance to the ejector housings of the 2nd and 3rd Model #3 Russian Top Breaks. See the photo I posted above of a 2nd Model Russian to see the similarity. This model was only produced in 1876 and 1877. A five shot revolver, It was the first Top Break revolver S&W made that was smaller than the big #3 Top Breaks. It was the first revolver to chamber the 38 S&W cartridge, also developed by Smith and Wesson. This one shipped in 1876 and I was very pleased to get the box with it. The box is unusual in that it has M. W. Robinson Co, S&W's oldest distributor, stamped on the box.

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The Baby Russian is pictured at the top of this photo, a 38 Single Action, 2nd Model is pictured below the Baby Russian. Note the shorter ejector housing on the 2nd Model. This model was produced from 1877 until 1891. This one shipped in 1877.

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Completing my collection of 38 Single Action Top Breaks is a 38 Single Action, 3rd Model, also known as the Model of 1891. The 38 is pictured in this photo beneath a New Model Number Three. The 38 Single Action, 3rd Model is similar in shape to the larger NM#3. Chambered for the 38 S&W cartridge, it is a five shooter just like the other two 38 Single Actions. The 3rd Model was the first 38 Single Action to have a trigger guard instead of a spur trigger.

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Sliding down the scale in cartridges, this is a 32 Single Action. This model was manufactured between 1878 and 1892. This one shipped in 1889.

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The 32 Single Action was the first revolver to chamber the 32 S&W round. (Sometimes erroneously known as the 32 S&W Short.) Note, those are modern Smokeless rounds and I would never shoot any of my 19th Century revolvers with modern Smokeless ammunition.

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A 32 Safety Hammerless, 3rd Model. Also known as the New Departure, and colloquially known as a Lemon Squeezer because of the grip safety. This one is known as a Bicycle Revolover because of the short, 2" barrel. It shipped in 1909.

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I particularly like this old S&W advertisement. Bicycles were becoming very popular with city dwellers, and if a man had to defend Daisy from two or four legged ruffians, this revolver was considered perfect.

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That's all for now, I will return at some point with more.
 
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Orpington's Single Shot is a Third Model based on the Perfected.
The First Model was on the frame of the 1891 Single Action and retained the recoil shield, hand, and cylinder stop. You could get a combination set with .38 revolver barrel and cylinder and a single shot target barrel, most in .22 but a very few in .32 and .38. Parts are interchangeable, there are "comprised" sets out there that did not ship that way.
 
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