browningguy
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Sorry, but I don't watch any of the "reality" TV shows. I watch most of the shooting shows on Wednesday Night at the Ragne, but the reality stuff is just crap.
Top Shot (Season 4)
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Arkansas Paul
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Freedom of choice is a beautiful thing isn't it.
KodiakBeer
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I'd have guessed fifty yards, but that's one of the failings of the show. They should tell the audience what the range is.
They usually do...and I remember them saying it in the episode we're talking about.
I feel it's fair. If you are selected out of thousands of applicants for a show called TOP SHOT, you should be able to summon the skills on demand and perform at a level above the ordinary shooter. If you can't, you get eliminated.....simple.
Interesting show. I thought the M14 challenge was good. Some of those people had terrible prone form and some simply choked. That's the way it goes.
The women did pretty well this time. See how long they last. They are usually put on the show as tokens, hope they do better this season.
I can already see the guy (federal police officer) who won the elimination round is set up to be the big mouth antagonist for this season. I am sick of him already but I know he is the chosen one to make drama.
The women did pretty well this time. See how long they last. They are usually put on the show as tokens, hope they do better this season.
I can already see the guy (federal police officer) who won the elimination round is set up to be the big mouth antagonist for this season. I am sick of him already but I know he is the chosen one to make drama.
Striker Fired
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Now if only the way the people that get selected into elimination would change so it was how they acually shot not who is popular and who gets ganged up on,regardless of how good they shot.Thats is the ONE thing that I hate about it and haven't been able to watch a full season yet.
It should be like REAL competition where every shot gets a score and the two that shot the lowest score goes to elimination.PERIOD. No "voting".They could make it interesting without the voting,but that would probably get rid of the precious drama,that the producer think every show has to have.My $.00001
It should be like REAL competition where every shot gets a score and the two that shot the lowest score goes to elimination.PERIOD. No "voting".They could make it interesting without the voting,but that would probably get rid of the precious drama,that the producer think every show has to have.My $.00001
Dazen
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He clearly states that they each will be firing a single shot at a target 200 Yards down range.
I can understand how easy it would be to miss that cause one would be focused on the
beauty of that M1A!
Scuba_Steve
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I don't have cable, but do have a HTPC hooked up for streaming. I watched it last night along with Top Gear USA. If I'm going to watch TV, I can't think of a better way to spend two hours.
They did when the announced the challenge...it was 200 yards. The focal length of the camera lens makes it seem closer. I was hoping the kid would stick around longer...he really is a very good shot...guess he doesn't shoot a rifle at that distance much. Every little mistake is magnified by the distance to the target.
I liked the odd-even finishing position for selecting the teams...statistically the Odd team should be stronger. This made a lot more sense than the artificial pairing and winner-loser makeup of the teams from last year, while avoiding the bromance from Season 2
The team challenge really set the tone for this season...they aren't allowing much room for error. The IT guy did surprisingly well, I think his repeated missing on the team challenge was a wake up call that this isn't going to be just going to the firing line and popping off rounds.
I think the two Asian guys are at opposite ends of the skill spectrum on the red team. One is a former Marine who now works as a range master in the L.A. area (SoCal) and the other is an IT guy for Google out of San Francisco (NorCal)
theautobahn
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I am wondering about familiarization with the guns as well. I'm curious as to whether they got any practice shots with the M14/M1A to determine what their particular POA/POI would be with that gun.
I'm thinking not...as they were all at the same advantage/disadvantage...just like the Sharp's rifle last season
I liked the show, got off to a good start....was is "little John" that won the M1 Carbine challenge....they said he was a World Champion Grenader.....?....I was a grenader at times in the Army.....but a World Champion....?.......is there such a thing....?
Husker_Fan
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I tend to think judging them on the size of a five shot group would be a better test of marksmanship, but the one-shot format was fair and probably makes for better TV.
tdstout
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What is that, a peso?
I really like the show, but like most people on here, I think that it should be more about skill instead of a popularity contest when it comes to who goes to the elemination challenge.
Dravur
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Actually,
Part of what you didn't see is that each Marksman was allowed 2 shots on another target to check POA. Then they took their one shot.
That whole thing took over 8 hours to shoot. They also had to shoot twice for the cameras for close-ups etc.
Part of what you didn't see is that each Marksman was allowed 2 shots on another target to check POA. Then they took their one shot.
That whole thing took over 8 hours to shoot. They also had to shoot twice for the cameras for close-ups etc.
leadaddict
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I'm glad to hear that. It makes a lot of sense to do it that way. Do you happen to know if they got to practice with the revolver before the team challenge?
allaroundhunter
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I'm pretty sure that they did, it wouldn't be top shot if they hadn't. I think with the extra elimination though they just had to edit it out so as to fit their 1-hour time slot.
AethelstanAegen
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I'm glad someone mentioned the Top Gun show...I hadn't know that existed and it was pretty entertaining...there was less of the typical reality show drama there...though I noticed the editing wasn't great (ie they'd be discussing the M1 Carbine and show pictures of GIs firing Garands, or discussing the M14 and showing a picture of an M1 Carbine...haha). I think both shows are fun to watch just to see what kind of targets they have set up and just to see someone enjoying some shooting.
KodiakBeer
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One of the things that always gets me - probably because I was taught by my dad who was a WWII vet - is how few shooters use their sling when shooting a rifle. It was particularly evident in the carbine challenge where both shooters were shooting with the sling dangling in space instead of using it to steady the rifle. If either one had used their sling, I suspect they'd have cleaned all ten targets.
There are so many truly great handgun shooters around today, but so few good rifle shooters. The basics are getting lost...
There are so many truly great handgun shooters around today, but so few good rifle shooters. The basics are getting lost...
Good point Kodiak. As an Appleseed shooter and instructor, I just cringe when I see these guys not using their sling and not using good prone form. Both makes a big difference.
I am surprised that some of these guys don't have any experience with some of the guns. If I was going to be on Top Shot I sure as heck would be out gathering up all different kinds of guns to shoot and become familiar with. I sure as heck would learn to shoot at long distance with a rifle in both prone and standing. I sure as heck would learn to shoot at moving targets and learn to shoot while moving.
I am surprised that some of these guys don't have any experience with some of the guns. If I was going to be on Top Shot I sure as heck would be out gathering up all different kinds of guns to shoot and become familiar with. I sure as heck would learn to shoot at long distance with a rifle in both prone and standing. I sure as heck would learn to shoot at moving targets and learn to shoot while moving.
Madcap_Magician
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The other thing though, is, was the sight battlefield-zeroed, or how were the irons zeroed?
At that range, the difference between accuracy could be as simple as whose shooting fundamentals most closely aligned with whatever zero the iron sights had.
At that range, the difference between accuracy could be as simple as whose shooting fundamentals most closely aligned with whatever zero the iron sights had.
henschman
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I probably wouldn't have used the sling in either of those challenges (and I'm an Appleseed shoot boss!!)
The whole point of a sling is to turn your body into a solid support, for use in the field when you don't have a nice solid rest like a sandbag in front of you. When you do have a nice solid rest in the field... well, you use it. And a sling is really not good for dynamic shooting like from a moving platform, in which you have to do large target shifts under time pressure. Especially on relatively large and close targets, like those were... you couldn't benefit much from the extra stability it would give you. Better to compromise stability in favor of speed in that one, I would say.
It seems like that is the case for most prior Top Shot rifle challenges... the targets are rather large and close, and there is time pressure. If you don't need the sling to be able to get a hit, then don't waste the time it takes to sling up.
The whole point of a sling is to turn your body into a solid support, for use in the field when you don't have a nice solid rest like a sandbag in front of you. When you do have a nice solid rest in the field... well, you use it. And a sling is really not good for dynamic shooting like from a moving platform, in which you have to do large target shifts under time pressure. Especially on relatively large and close targets, like those were... you couldn't benefit much from the extra stability it would give you. Better to compromise stability in favor of speed in that one, I would say.
It seems like that is the case for most prior Top Shot rifle challenges... the targets are rather large and close, and there is time pressure. If you don't need the sling to be able to get a hit, then don't waste the time it takes to sling up.
KodiakBeer
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I suspect you're dead wrong, though I don't have a motorcycle with a sidecar to prove it!
They were bouncing along a road at 20 mph or so. The rifle is hanging out there in space magnifying every bounce. Anything that would lock that rifle to their torso better would help.
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