Top Shot (Season 4)

[al123]

Kaeto wrote: I think Gabby just has an exceedingly weak grip. My Webley Mk VI has an easier double action trigger than my PA-63. I would like to beat the person who had that one Webley nickeled though.

I'm surprised Gabby had difficulty with the DA trigger on the Webley. She has shot DA revolvers before on this show. I must be missing some information.

The women acquaintances and family I know all have trouble with factory trigger pull on S&W revolvers, but they would be considered occasional shooters and not experts. For me the pull is not overly difficult, but I do lose accuracy and fatigue sets in when I try to rapid fire a DA revolver.

Teamwork issues aside, the shooters on the blue team really couldn't balance speed versus accuracy. The got their clocks cleaned.

 

[Smokin Gator]

I don't believe that she couldn't physically pull the trigger hard enough to fire the gun. I just think she was having enough trouble holding the gun on target while pulling the trigger at the same time and didn't want to break the shot unless she thought she could do it accurately. She knew she wasn't going to shoot a good group with it and didn't want everyone to see that. Mark

 

[parsimonious_instead]

Well at least Terry wasn't subjected to the dirty handkerchief of friendship. And yet again the worst 2 shooters didn't go to elimination.

Actually, I noticed that Greg's wackiness with the hankerchiefs and gooey sentiment over his new "friends" hasn't surfaced in a while - he was probably told to tone it down, or it was simply edited out.

 

[.338-06]

Is it just me, or is Greg the luckiest guy ever to be on Top Shot? He's gone to elimination three time, tied in two of those and ended up winning by round count! Man! It wouldn't surprise me if he had one of those winning lottery tickets.

 

[9mmepiphany]

It has to be luck, how many time do you see someone rewarded for fumbling a reload...if he had been able to reload faster, it is likely that he would have had more misses.

Terry was my favorite on the Blue team, but his shooting after his reload was just sad.

It has been suggested that Greg is sandbagging to win the Bass Pro cards...but I can't imagine that he is good enough to cut his victorys that finely

 

[VancMike]

On a different TS subject (and maybe this has been asked/answered already): why do these shooters (except Gabby) carry those big-a$$ back-packs everywhere they go? To shoot in a challenge, you need, what, eye & ear protection, maybe a jacket and a hat.

These guys carry backpacks that would hold 10 days of food and camping gear.....

 

[leftyz]

Actually, I noticed that Greg's wackiness with the hankerchiefs and gooey sentiment over his new "friends" hasn't surfaced in a while - he was probably told to tone it down, or it was simply edited out.

He was just smitten with Michelle and it took a few days to wear off.

edit - wrong quote

 

[mgmorden]

I don't believe that she couldn't physically pull the trigger hard enough to fire the gun. I just think she was having enough trouble holding the gun on target while pulling the trigger at the same time and didn't want to break the shot unless she thought she could do it accurately. She knew she wasn't going to shoot a good group with it and didn't want everyone to see that. Mark

Ian made a comment during the show that Gabby couldn't reach the trigger. Its obvious that she could at least get a finger on it, but she might not have been able to really get it on there good enough to apply sufficient force. I know even with some autoloaders some people have issues reaching a trigger in DA, but in SA the trigger generally sets back farther in the guard and is easier to reach.

Overall though in the challenge that came up, I would have went for single action anyways. It doesn't take a great amount of time to cock the gun and most people are just more accurate in SA anyways.

 

[9mmepiphany]

On a different TS subject (and maybe this has been asked/answered already): why do these shooters (except Gabby) carry those big-a$$ back-packs everywhere they go? To shoot in a challenge, you need, what, eye & ear protection, maybe a jacket and a hat.

These guys carry backpacks that would hold 10 days of food and camping gear.....

Actually just enough for the day

Once they leave the house in the morning, they are gone all day...the house isn't that close to the range that they can wander back and forth. So they are carrying drinks and snacks for the whole day...each episode takes three days to film and there is a lot of down time as they set up between shots.

The also have all the clothing they might need during the day. I remember reading that Chris carried 4 different pairs of shooting glasses

 

[Elkins45]

About the trigger pull: another of the shooters was griping about how hard it was in DA. One of the profile shots showed that Gabby could get her finger on it to the first joint.

I would love to see either her or the older gentleman on her team take it all. Both of them seem like they have the skills but they also seem like they have some class about them.

 

[harrygunner]

Stats from the "Moving Speedfire":

Terry 6/18 : 33%
Greg 5/12 : 42%
William 4/12 : 33%
Augie 3/12 : 25%

Based on performance, Augie should have been selected. Then, either Terry for taking so many shots to hit six, or William for taking a long time to hit four.

Guess I'm not a fan of Greg. When Terry had 20 seconds left, he needed at least three hits to win. I found myself closing my eyes, hoping to hear those three hits.

 

[HOOfan_1]

I the end the entire "work the bolt with thumb and index and pull the trigger with your middle finger" aspect that they learned in practice was just a waste of time. No way you are going to be accurate at 200 yards with a brand new technique like that, not to mention that neither one of them even put 20 rounds down range.

I also balked when Greg called the M1903 the American equivalent of the SMLE.

 

[Freedom_fighter_in_IL]

I also balked when Greg called the M1903 the American equivalent of the SMLE

I almost fell off the couch laughing!!!! Talk about a total IDIOT!!! And this guy was picked over several thousands??? Only similarities the 1903 and the SMLE are, they both have barrels!

 

[Carl N. Brown]

^ Well, both were bolt action and standard issue in WWI ( '03 limited issue in WWII and the L-E standard issue in WWII).

The Lee Enfield event was rapid fire at a 24” target from 200 yards. I noticed at times foreshortening by the telephoto camera made the target appear larger than a 24" target appears at 200 yards to the naked eye.

 

[Jim Watson]

The gear scrounger was falling down on the job, leaving the show to stick the Blues with a Bubbanickel Webley. As said, the sights aren't large, so buff off the corners and nickel plate them and they will really be hard to pick up.

I would not have used the fine old British rapid fire technique on the basis of one morning's acquaintance either. A fine technique... with a lot of practice.

 

[AethelstanAegen]

I almost fell off the couch laughing!!!! Talk about a total IDIOT!!! And this guy was picked over several thousands??? Only similarities the 1903 and the SMLE are, they both have barrels!

As Carl N. Brown mentioned, I suspect he meant that they were both the standard issue rifles in World War I, not that they were of a similar design.

That said, I do have trouble with Greg and I couldn't help but root for Terry. I rather wish they'd each had another crack at the challenge rather than a round count, especially since the challenge was intended to throw a lot of lead downrange rapidly.

 

[35Rem]

Rem35: If you have never fired a Webley do not call it junk. I am fed up with know-it-alls who put down guns they have never touched.

I have TOUCHED them. I have not fired one.

So, you would put that Webley they had (described as the Rolls Royce of Revolvers) up against a Colt Python or a S&W Registered Magnum? Seriously?

My statement stands.

I'm "fed up" with people who don't know what "reading comprehension" is.

 

[chas3stix]

My best guess about the carrying of backpacks is strictly for effect. Kinda like your favorite TV hunter carrying one when he never ventures further than 10 yards from his pickup.

 

[mgmorden]

I almost fell off the couch laughing!!!! Talk about a total IDIOT!!! And this guy was picked over several thousands??? Only similarities the 1903 and the SMLE are, they both have barrels!

Already mentioned, but I'd reiterate that I found absolutely nothing wrong with his statement. The two designs were contemporaries of each other used during the same wars, and were both the "standard" issue infantry rifle for their respective nations.

 

[Jim Watson]

So, you would put that Webley they had (described as the Rolls Royce of Revolvers) up against a Colt Python or a S&W Registered Magnum? Seriously?

Probably not the Mk VI military model they had, surely not the Bubbachrome edition.
But a friend has a Webley-Green 1896 that I would put up against any revolver on the market.
The DA is heavy, primers were not as sensitive in those days, but it is smooth and regular.

 

[Freedom_fighter_in_IL]

As Carl N. Brown mentioned, I suspect he meant that they were both the standard issue rifles in World War I, not that they were of a similar design.

Already mentioned, but I'd reiterate that I found absolutely nothing wrong with his statement. The two designs were contemporaries of each other used during the same wars, and were both the "standard" issue infantry rifle for their respective nations.

his exact words were "I have never shot it before but I am familiar with a bolt action rifle. I actually own a 1903 springfield which is the American counterpart to this rifle".

Taken in the context that he stated it in, the man thought the rifles were of similar design. If he owns a 1903 and knows ANYTHING about the history of the 1903 design, he should know that it's counterpart was actually a K98 MAUSER! The 1903 is a direct ripoff of the Mauser action. The boy just thought since they were both Bolt actions then they were the same. In other words, he's friggin retarded!

 

[SharkHat]

Given the context, this is the definition of counterpart that would appear to be appropriate:

a person or thing closely resembling another, especially in function: Our president is the counterpart of your prime minister.

Which is exactly correct, as pointed out previously. Before we have more problems with understanding context, in this case function doesn't mean manual of arms or that the actions of the guns are the same.

 

[Madcap_Magician]

I can't believe Greg won again based on a tie broken by round count. That's the THIRD FRAKKING TIME. I bet he's a lot better than he looks on TV, he's just trolling for gift cards. Which is smart, since even if he loses, he has $6k of gift cards right now.

 

[Red October]

Have to agree with prior statements. Seems wrong that round count would be the deciding factor on a challenge geared toward throwing as many rounds downrange as possible.

If round count matters, it really isn't the "mad minute".

 

[snuffy]

There's just so many questions left unanswered that make a huge difference in the outcome of each shooting scenario. Greg and Terry got to practice with the "smelly". But at what range? Looks like they had a target at 50 yards. Who set the sights for the 200 yard target, and did they have a chance to shoot @ 200 before starting the contest?

Everybody shoots iron sights differently. I use a 6 oclock hold, some cover the bull, others cut the bull in half with the front sight. A paper target @ 200 yds with a spotting scope to see where the bullets were hitting would have been pretty basic info. Not knowing where that ammo was hitting was more luck than skill.

I too wondered about those back packs. Seemed useless to lug them out to find out what the shoot was about, then lugging them back was wasted effort. I could see if it was a long walk and not much of a wait until practice time, then you'd want some sunscreen and a couple bottles of water. Extra different color shooting specks would be nice to have handy too.