Torturing the Glock 19 and Sig Sauer p226

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*Warning! Not for the faint of heart*​

So I went to the range yesterday to test four new Mec-Gar 18 round Sig 226 magazines. It had rained earlier and no one was there, besides it being a cool 100 or so degrees. I had brought my Glock 19 and Sig p226 along with 200 rounds of 9mm. After I had shot a few mags I decided to do something I had always wanted to do.. A dirt test on the Glock and Sig.

Sig 226 Test
I walked out from under the awning and kicked around the sandy dirt until I had a sufficient supply of lose grit to bury a gun under. I cleared the Sig 226 (no magazine in the gun), locked the slide open, and dropped it into the dirt. I kicked it around until I felt it was dirty enough, and then I buried it in the grit. I then kicked it out of the dirt pile, picked it up, cleared the barrel of obstructions, shook the gun out, and loaded it. I thumbed the slide release and of course it didn't go all the way into battery. Tap rack. I pulled the trigger and it went bang! But did not go back into battery fully. I pressed the back of the slide and it went into battery. It went bang again, and again did not go into battery. This process was repeated for almost the entire magazine, and then it started working properly. I didn't have many malfunctions after that for a couple magazines, and I rapidly emptied a magazine with no malfunctions. I was very happy with the Sig's performance. My recoil spring has always felt weak with the Sig and if it had been stronger I believe the gun might have done a little better. But I was still very pleased.
(Doing this test was fun but detail stripping and cleaning the Sig was a long and not so fun process)

Glock 19 Test
The Glock was cleared, magazine removed, slide locked open, and was thrown into the same pile of gritty sand/dirt as the Sig. After clearing the barrel and shaking the gun off, I thumbed the slide release. It went fully into battery. It fired, but the trigger would not reset. Tap rack. The trigger reset. It fired again, and the trigger did not reset. I tapped it and the trigger reset. This process was repeated and did not get fixed at the range. The trigger safety blade was stuck to the rearward position after the trigger was pulled. There is sand and grit in the trigger itself, behind the safety blade I assume. The Glock was detail stripped and cleaned also.

In Conclusion
Now to compare the performance of both guns..
The Sig p226 would not go into battery for a magazine or so. It then began functioning and only not going fully into battery maybe once or twice per mag. I am very impressed with this gun and would recommend it to anyone.
The Glock 19 has a stiffer spring than the Sig and went fully into battery every time. The trigger would not reset once fired, and the trigger safety basically failed. If the sticky grit had not been in the trigger, the gun most likey would've functioned flawlessly. I'd recommend it to anyone too.
When I cleaned these guns.. It was amazing that they still functioned. Both the Glock and the Sig are masterpieces of design. Several small pebbles came out of the Sig when it was stripped, and part of a pine needle was stuck in the firing mechanism. Still worked. The Glock was just as dirty and if the trigger had not gotten sticky grit in it, I believe it would have functioned flawlessly. Both guns were caked with sandy dirt.

Thought you folks would be interested in that little adventure. I am not posting this to say "A Glock is less reliable than a Sig" or anything like that. Just a data point for you to look at

I almost forgot to mention, I emptied a Mec-Gar 18 round mag and threw it in the dirt and kicked it around. Worked flawlessly, I am very impressed.

Thanks all

Edited to add: This was the first time these guns have been fired since they were cleaned. I used grease to lubricate them. This caused an interesting problem in which there was so much dirt and crap in the action that the grease actually trapped the dirt, sand, and small rocks in the gun instead of the dirt flying out with recoil.
 
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My p229's spring feels weak, I think it must be a sig phenomenon when compared to M&P's Glocks, or Ruger poly guns.

Neat test....hopefully I'll never drop one of my pistols in the dirt.;)
 
I will never understand this internet phenomenon of taking expensive firearms and trying to break them with "torture tests". I guess I was just raised to take care of things - especially expensive items like guns. To this day, I still treat them well, because you never know when you might need to use one, and you certainly don't want it compromised due to a previous amateur "torture test".

Anyway, getting off the soapbox now. :)
 
Not really a torture test. Makes for a good thread title though. I don't like it when a firearm is tortured either. Torture would be using the firearm in a many it was not designed to or otherwise subjecting a gun to treatment it was not designed to withstand. It tells us nothing. Any malfunction resulting from torture is just that, a malfunction induced by use outside that parts design parameters.

But I like what the op did here. Getting a gun a little dirty and seeing if it will fire isn't really tortuous. Especially two pistols used by various military forces. Thanks for the review. The stoppages were interesting. Next time see if you can repair the malfunctions using commonly carried items. Car keys, boot lace, pocket knife etc.. Might be interesting to see with design is more easily fixed in the field without a cleaning kit or range tool.
 
you just proved firearms don't like dirt and debris in their action. they are just like us or most of us anyways. we don't like to be filthy and mishandled. I for one wipe my guns down each time I handle them. too much is made about torture test. I for one don't plan on burying, freezing, dropping from an helicopter, running over with a suv, or submerging my guns then firing them in a life or death situation. military maybe, but me as the armed civilian no. I am however more interested in how many rounds it can fire without malfunctions or parts breakage. but maybe that's just me


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I felt that this was reasonably torturous to the guns, as I doubt they would ever be locked open without a magazine in and be buried. Except when I did it then. At the most they would probably be dropped with a loaded magazine and the slide forward.
The main reason I wanted to do this was to see if the guns would even function after having that much sandy dirt in them.
I know these are expensive, I felt my soul hurt a little when I caked that Sig with dirt.:(
If I had taken more pictures when I cleaned them, you might think it was a little more torturous. The Sig's firing mechanism was so dirty that I was truly amazed that it still worked.
I am not willing to intentionally break my guns or anything:rolleyes:. But this was the most reasonable completely overkill thing to do to test them.
 
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Why in the world would you do something like that? even if I dropped my p226 in the dirt, I would grab my BUG. No I cant wrap my head around the thought of doing that to almost $2 grand in weapons.:banghead:

But then again it makes me feel real good that I would never do that to my weapons.:D
 
Why in the world would you do something like that? even if I dropped my p226 in the dirt, I would grab my BUG. No I cant wrap my head around the thought of doing that to almost $2 grand in weapons.

But then again it makes me feel real good that I would never do that to my weapons.

If u can find a buyer for a regular p226 and Glock 19 for $2k, I would gladly sell them some.
 
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I don't understand Locking slide back. Nor removing magazine. The test would have had some merit if the slide were closed and the mag inserted. That's the way the pistol is carried. And the condition it would probably be in when it encountered sand, debris etc. Just my observation and opinion.
 
It is a CPO West German Sig 226. Slide is 1989. $600 new out the door. $550 for the G19. $1150 total
 
ok fine $1150! Still I wish I had that kinda cash to toss into the dirt.
They are combat firearms. Designed to function in harsh conditions and I pushed the limits of their functioning. It's quite an exaggerated test. The likelihood of that happening under even the most extreme circumstances is remote. Additionally I learned something about the lubrication of these tools. Otherwise, after thorough cleaning and lubing, they function as they always have and are supposed to.
 
No wonder the Jedi I was with the other day started weeping


BTW the quartz which is likely in that dirt is harder than a steel file.
 
Why in the world would you do something like that?
Egg Zactly!

I served in the U.S. Army for 6 years, and shot competitively, hunted, & collected guns my whole life.

After 68 1/2 years?

I never got a gun so scuzzed up with dirt & sand it wouldn't work in my life.

What exactly is it you are trying to prove anyway??

rc
 
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That was a good view. :D Remind me never to let that guy shoot my Glocks.

Geno
 
What exactly is it you are trying to prove anyway??

I think he's proven that while you may never end up in a life and death situation with a dirty gun, IF you do then you can pretty much expect your gun to still work.

What he's done has made me more confident in my guns even though I never plan on getting them that dirty. Ever.
 
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