Tracer rounds will be the next thing attacked it looks like

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  1. Arkansas Paul

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    I hope this doesn't immediately get closed down, but it may because I am speculating a bit.

    This is an interesting article though, and it looks like it has the potential to open the door for the antis to attack the availability of tracer ammunition. They make a statement in it that had he had tracer rounds he could have been more accurate and caused more deaths.

    It seems they know that large scale gun control is doubtful to happen, so they will just start chipping away at the edges.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/las-vegas-shooter-tried-to-buy-tracer-rounds-official-says/ar-AAsY5NE?li=BBnb7Kz
     
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    They are rather hard to find, and most shooters don't use them for the fire risk.
     
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    We're simply fueling the speculation ... Hillary made the comments about suppressors, we responded, thereby vastly increasing the publicity she was striving for ... the issue of tracers hasn't come up in conjunction with the official investigation, so let's please not help spotlight any additional stuff for the antis to go after.

    The fools who get their news from MSN don't know a tracer from a pencil eraser, so let's not us buy into this crap. Really doubtful that firing tracers while using an EOTTech or magnified optic at the range the asshat was shooting from would have aided him in causing more deaths -- particularly with a bumpfire stock, which most shooters should understand hinders accuracy, especially if using an optic.
     
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    Last 308 tracers I picked up didn't turn out to work very well anyway. At least nowhere near as well as my 50 BMG tracers.

    I'll put on my optimistic hat today.

    While I agree that the Democrats chip away when they can but our guys can't even pass legislation that we elected them for. Would be political suicide to pass things the people that put them there are against.

    I am beginning to see folks that think we should have a "conversation" or even "review" of what we know is already legal.

    Don't forget if the media were always correct, Hillary would be POTUS....
     
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    Yep
     
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    They're against the range rules where I shoot.

    Someone set a berm on fire a few months ago using tracer ammo.

    I'm sure the eboard had a few words with that member.

    Auto fire is also against the rules even tho I'm sure a few members have the hardware.
     
  7. Tirod

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    He had a car, didn't use that. With the amount of stuff found in it he could have simply driven into the crowd and set it off.

    This is why speculation is just that - there's no boundaries and it is definitely not something done much here. There are plenty of sites which explore it, and yet we can't get a lot of folks to agree on what constitutes simple reality. Like, what constitutes a drop safe pistol, or does the M16 have excessive gas fouling?

    Tracers aren't an issue. What is an issue is his prescription for a psychotropic drug, connected to numerous other shootings, and his voting preference, which is also another highly ranked issue in the profile of mass shooters.

    And yet nothing, nada, has been done to slow that progression. So much so that I will concede tracers could be propped up as an argument to shield looking at these two factors, should too much attention be drawn to them. However, most of the political capital will be expended on the bump stock, and I expect it to hurt the NRA's membership numbers as some withdraw. I don't expect NFL levels of disgust, tho. We have seen how they do things in Congress before, it's no surprise.
     
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    Tracers wouldn't have been much of a factor in the kind of area shooting seen in Vegas. The shooter didn't really need to use sights at all. All he had to do was point the gun in the general direction. (Actually, tracers might have helped the police pinpoint his location.)

    There are all sorts of military ammo that don't have much civilian application. These include tracers, armor piercing, incendiary, API, grenade-launching blanks, etc., all of which are currently legal. These may not have civilian (sporting) use, but they certainly do have militia/military use. That's reason enough for them to be protected under the 2nd Amendment.
     
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    As has been stated, Pelosi is hoping for the “slippery slope”. That slope incorporates many things. And the MSM is talking about it. So while it may be speculation, it’s a legitimate speculation.
     
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    At this point it is all talk and no walk.
    I think sometimes speculation is the enemy of common sense and reason.

    At least in this situation.
     
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    Here's the vid

     
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    That was my initial thought when I read it. Any benefit it would have given him at first would have quickly been negated by the fact that the authorities would have known exactly where he was firing from and it would have likely ended more quickly.

    Several good things have been said here.

    It's silly to think that tracer rounds would have made a huge difference. He was firing into a crowd of 20k+ people. Exemplary marksmanship was not required.
     
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    Quite frankly, I have always wondered why tracer ammo is available for purchase, considering the incredible fire risk involved with shooting the stuff.
     
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    Very true. There's a old military axiom; "tracers work both ways." I understand locating Steve Paddock's sniper nest was difficult. Following the path of tracer fire back would have made it easier to locate.
    The snide factor in me suggests maybe we should pass a law that says snipers MUST use tracer ammo.:evil:
     
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    From the latest news articles, I see the action to ban Tannerite and similar products before tracer ammo. The idea that the shooter had 50#s of this easily obtained explosive material in an enclosed space that would have sent shrapnel flying for hundreds of yards, and creating Lord knows how many more deaths and injuries, if it had been hit by just one standard rifle round(along with all the injuries contributed to misuse) is getting much more attention than the shooter's non use of tracer ammo.
     
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    Broken windows in a glass façade of gold color stand out like a sore thumb.

    As for slippery slope, it's always been an issue. However, this may well be Pelosi's Last Stand. Her personal health issues are now considerably advanced and a replacement may be in the wings aka Governor's appointment (she is a rep, no senator.) Point is that most of the work will be done by staffers in back rooms and for the most part those politicians who don't want to be seen as aligning with a "full auto" mass shooter will support the bill she introduced, which contains a lot of weasel wording to include legal ammo.

    This is where the NRA can't support the bills. If they do they are biting a poison pill and it will go badly. Given the number of times they have danced with the devil before you have to ask if they like to create job security .And if YOU and I allow it to happen without voicing our objections, we are to blame.

    The bills are NOT just about regulating bump stocks, everything including the kitchen sink will be thrown in (and is already.) They are being pulled out of the "Never let a good crisis go to waste" file, getting a new glossy cover and being thrown into the hopper so that a politician can say, "I tried to do something."
     
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    "...most shooters don't use them for the fire risk..." Trace doesn't start fires unless the range is very, very dry. Shooters don't use them because trace isn't particularly accurate and a lot of ranges think they do start fires.
    "...leaves an illuminated trace of its path..." Trace doesn't do that except on film either. Trace lets the shooter follow the bullet because the trace element is burning, but there's no trail of light like you see on TV and in movies. Doesn't light upon exiting from the barrel either. It'll only give you a general idea where the shooter is located.
    Microsoft really isn't a good a source for info on anything but MS programs. They're promulgating a lot of myths in that article.
    Anyway, the anti-firearm gangs will use any incident to try and get stuff banned. Whether that stuff was involved in the incident or not.
     
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    LoL!
    Not even sure you can mae the case about their own software.
    MS software being to software what Trabant was to "fine German automobiles" . . .
     
  19. Sam1911

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    Ok, look, he may have caused more deaths if he'd used any number of devices or techniques. Speculation really isn't very useful. We'll deal with the issues that DO arise when they arise.
     
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