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trade my glock?!?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by walking arsenal, Aug 26, 2004.

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  1. walking arsenal

    walking arsenal Member

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    Ive been reading a lot about glocks going kaboom, ive read a lot about the .357 sig round being not so great.

    I have a GLOCK in .357 sig


    truthfully i question the validity of these kaboom reports, i think that if it was a serious problem glock would be doing a recall, theyve got to be ammo based problems.

    But, ive read that they have a problem with the unsupported barrels and bullets being inset after reloading in the .40's. so if the .40's are having problems then i worry about the .357 which is based off the .40.:uhoh:

    maybe this is all nonsense though and the glock haters are crawling out of the wood work to take a shot at a good pistol, i may be wrong though.

    And if i am wrong then maye i should trade for somthing else?
    What do you guys think?
     
  2. jed

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    It could be an excellent idea to trade it, but for what?

    A pistol that one fears is no good!!

    Kabooms have occured in other guns and calibers of semiautos in different than Glock brands.

    I have a Glock 23. I am not worried about it kabooming since I keep the
    barrel clean, do not shoot lead rounds thru it, or shoot reloads thru it.
    Sticking with factory ammo as suggested is a good preventive measure.

    I also am not worried about any of my other brands kabooming even though I reload ammo for them.

    Based on the caliber of the gun and the Glock design, I would say keep it as a carry or home defense gun. Look for something else to shoot a lot of rounds thru.

    Other opinions will be different from mine and are worth reading.
     
  3. CZ52GUY

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    If you fear it, trade it OR take away the "rationale" for your fear which is based on the barrel.

    My understanding is that KKM barrels resolve this "problem" permanently.

    http://glockmeister.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/1_3/products_id/4

    If other than KB fear, you are proficient with the weapon and enjoy it, I'd swap the barrel and put the fear behind.

    If you just want a change, than go for the trade...but somewhere you will read that someone had a catastrophic failure with just about every autoloader made...as has been discussed elsewhere, the sheer volume of Glocks in the marketplace improves the odds that somewhere someone will have experienced an issue that someone has heard about. I'm sure my favorite piece, CZ-75, has had some issues...but since the market penetration is so much less, the publicity surrounding the issues is much less.

    There is some "piling on" effect by some who simply don't like Glocks...why they feel it necessary to go beyond the realm of common sense is beyond me. At the same time, there are Glock "cultists" who would tell you Glocks can do no wrong and at all opportunities engage in irrational blame shifting (too often the operator is the target). That's not productive either.

    Glocks come with caveats and trade-offs. They can be dealt with, but you don't have to deal with them if you don't want to.

    Choose well.

    Safe shooting,

    CZ52'
     
  4. walking arsenal

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    what does the kkm barrel do that the glock factory barrel doesnt? are pros and cons to each?
     
  5. jed

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    Well said CZ. You don't have to put up with anything you don't want to.

    Life is too short to spend it on unnecessary worry!!

    Buying another bbl. may not get you by either. Now you have one questionable gun and a bbl to sale. It just keeps escalating.

    I cut my losses and move on. This is what is best for me. It may not be what is best for you. My only warning about trading is that it gets addicting just like shooting!! He he. I never planned to be a trader, but it just worked out that way and it created a lot of fun plus new experiences.

    Good luck.
     
  6. Black Snowman

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    KKM is has a fully supported and somewhat tighter chamber. For a target and range gun this means superior accuracy and reduced chance of a KB! if maintained.

    In the field that means there's less room for debris to clear itself possibly causing a failure to go to battery or a pressure spike.

    I don't have one to compare to but one of the advantages of the .357 SIG was the bottle neck cartridge reduced the need for ramping and throating allowing a better supported chamber than a .40 S&W that would still feed extremely reliably.

    I have over 4000 reloads through my Glock .40 on the original barrel with out a Ka-Boom. None were lead bullets.

    I've had a ka-boom. Reloaded a rifle round with the wrong powder and it destroyed my Century FrankenFAL. Luckily I wasn't seriously hurt.

    Kabooms are something to be wary of, but not deserving of paranoia.

    If you don't feel comfortable with the gun, I'm sure plenty of people would be willing to give you a fair price for it.
     
  7. Andrew Wyatt

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    get a 1911. :rolleyes:
















    ;)
     
  8. walking arsenal

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    If i wanted a gun that i would have to send to the smiths to get it to function right out of the box i would. :D
     
  9. CZ52GUY

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    Walking Arsenal

    Do you feel like you are proficient with your Glock?

    Do you take good care of it (chamber maintenance being essential)?

    Do you feel it important to be able to shoot reloads or lead ammunition?

    My Glocks eat Federal, CCI Blazer Brass, S&B, Winchester White Box just fine. For more serious stuff, I've got some Federal "Tactical" JHP's (I've tested Winchester JHP's also without incident). Given that I've been able to use several brands of affordable practice ammo', I keep them clean, and I have a hankering for a KKM for my G35 anyway (which is likely to get the most use), I'm fine with risk tolerance on Glocks because I'm using my head to minimize the risk.

    If you don't really enjoy shooting it, KB doesn't matter...time for a new blaster.

    If you can't be bothered with scrubbing the chamber...want something you can clean every 3rd or 4th or 5th range session...maybe you want to consider something else.

    If you need to be able to shoot lead (some older ranges require it) or want to feel comfortable reloading...again, the trade makes sense.

    However, if you are good with it, take good care of it, and can make do with multiple good/affordable choices of ammo' for practice and carry...I'd not trade it based on the bad experiences of a few UNLESS, your risk tolerance is so low that you have lost confidence in your piece.

    There are pictures of KB's of just about every platform out there on the web. Not just Glocks...but only you can decide how much risk you can live with.

    Stay safe,

    CZ52'
     
  10. Tecolote

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    If you're worried about KB! than trade your Glock. Lack of confidence in your tools will affect your performance. Why not go with a Glock 19 or 26? You'll have all the Glock features in a "no KB! worry" package.:)
     
  11. JohnKSa

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    I believe that Dean Speir's site features some kB! pics involving a KKM barrel...
     
  12. jimmyjoebob

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    as for why Glock won't issue a recall that is simple, liability,. once they admit it then there will be a flood of lawsuits from those who have had their guns go boom! Millions were sold, get a new barrel, or get a SIG, all your fears will be resolved.
     
  13. walking arsenal

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    whatever happened to glocks being able to go thousands of rounds without being cleaned? keep it spotless and you wont have a problem??
    whatever happened to the cover it in mud, run it over with a truck, freeze it, leave it in a river and shoot it glock?
     
  14. auschip

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    Being dirty has nothing to do with a leaded barrel. The way it was explained to me, polygonal rifling cuts the bullet just a bit more. Because of that, if you have a softer bullet (lead), more will be left in the barrel. If too much is in the barrel, then when you touch off the controlled explosion (ie pull the trigger) it goes boom. The same thing happens to careless duck hunters with fair regularity. They aren't paying attention plug the barrel with mud, then when that canvas back flies over boom they split the barrel, blow the gun, and generally kb their pretty scatter gun.

    The bottom line, is that EVERY gun will fall down go boom under the right (or wrong) circumstances.
     
  15. walking arsenal

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    ok, i get that, whats all this garb about unsuported barrels? does the .357 sig glock have the same problem as the .40s?
     
  16. bad_dad_brad

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    Stick with the Glock 9mm or .45 cal.

    Both of these pistols are designed for the cartridge and are not in betweens.

    Personally I don't think much of the .40 SW or the .357 SIG.

    My ultimate cartridge handgun calibers are:

    .22 LR for plinking

    .32 ACP for mouse guns

    9mm Luger for slimline and high power carry

    .45 ACP for ultimate knockdown.

    All the rest are crap and inbetween. Just my two cents.
     
  17. JohnKSa

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    Why doesn't someone here who has designed at least one commercially successful pistol answer this man's question? :D :D

    Ok, seriously, the Glock chambers are cut a bit larger, and have a pretty generous cutout for the feedramp. These features increase the reliability of the pistol but mean that it is less tolerant of low quality ammunition.

    It's a trade-off. My P89 has a tight chamber--if I start feeding it poor quality or out-of-spec ammo, (like A-merc) it just won't chamber consistently. The out-of-spec rounds jam the gun. In the Glock, they are more likely chamber because the chamber is cut a bit larger. If the brass is strong, it's not an issue. But if the brass is cheap and weak and/or there's some other problem like excessive barrel leading or bullet setback, sooner or later something's going to give.

    If you don't reload and you don't buy cheapo ammunition you will almost certainly never have a problem.

    Glock put these warnings in the manual, but American shooters were used to seeing this type of disclaimer and dismissed them as typical lawyerese. That wasn't so smart and a bunch of people have either learned a lesson or are hacked off at Glock.

    From Dean Speir's website:
    "Glocks are good.
    Glocks are great.
    Jus' don't shoot reloads
    like the manuals state."

    I would paraphrase a bit:
    "Glocks are good.
    Glocks are great.
    Just shoot high quality commercial ammo with jacketed bullets
    like the manuals state."

    Ok, a poet I'm not... :D
     
  18. Powderman

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    I own two Glocks. Both are .40--the 22 and the 27.

    By conservative estimate, I have fired over 10K rounds through both pistols, cumulatively. Out of those, about 1000 were either store purchased new, or issued duty ammo. The rest were reloads.

    I have NEVER had a kaboom.

    I have NEVER had a bulged case in either gun.

    Neither of them have EVER failed to go bang. This is in mud, sand, and snow. Not to mention that fine Pacific Northwest sunshine :)
     
  19. Majic

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    Recall??? How dare you speak of such. Just read the advertisements and see that Glocks are "Perfection".
    They will do a quiet upgrade though. :rolleyes:
     
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    Recall 2.5 million glocks because 15 rejects don't know how to reload?
    The reports of glocks kb'ing are greatly exagerated but if you think they kb all the time then produce some proof.
     
  21. walking arsenal

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    Ive spent the last couple of days looking into this Glock Kaboom buisnees and heres what ive come up with, see what you think.

    The .40 cal glocks KB because.

    The cases are sensitive to repeated chamberings. the bullet gets pushed back a little each time they are chambered. this bumps up the pressure more than the case can handle.

    people shoot reloaded ammo through them. every time a round is reloaded the case weakens a bit, couple this with the above reason and i could see a problem happening. from what the reloading guys say they dont crimp the bullets in very much when they reload.

    Lead bullets or cheap ammo. what cheap ammo is im not sure, no one has really named any brands off yet.

    All in all from what ive read, heard, been told; if you shoot quality factory reloads you wont have a problem. the exception seems to be that batch of federal hydrashocks.

    the problem seems to run around the .40s but have been seen in the other calibers.
     
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    Next time ask the questions before you get a gun.
     
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    What have you read about the 357 Sig that was no favorable? All I've read is praise for it.

    I quote Massad Ayoob who is regarded as a very respected and is sometime refered to as an ultimate authority on lethal force. "Accuracy is superb, power is undeniable, and recoil is controlled in trained hands. The .357 Sig is an excellent cartridge, and more police departments are adopting it. Personal choice? With it's superb history of stopping powerand it's excellent accuracy, I don't think there can be a contest."

    From Ammolab:

    "He has tested several thousand rounds of the usual 9, 40, 45, etc. When he tested the 357 Sig Winchester Ranger and Remington Golden Saber ammo, it did something only the 10mm Silvertip has been able to do. Both of these rounds cracked the top plate that holds the gelatin blocks in place during testing. It’s obvious that these 357 Sig rounds dump more energy into 12 – 14 inches of gelatin than most other rounds he has tested.

    When he reinforced the top plates, the same two 357 Sig rounds mentioned above then cracked the lower plate. The best 9mm loads, such as the Ranger 127gr +P+ barely created a ripple in the gelatin in comparison. The 357sig can pump more destructive energy into that 12-15 inches of penetration (see above regarding breaking gelatin plates and even knocking gelatin blocks off the table), than other duty calibers, except for the 10mm caliber."
     
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  24. g21forme

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    sooooooo all your information comes from internet forums of people who knew a guy who saw a video of a glock kb and this becomes fact written in stone? I know there have been glocks that have kb'ed but you can't name a manufacturer who hasn't had one and to spew all this nonsense with nary a fact to be found is just laughable.
     
  25. mrapathy2000

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    dont worry bout kaboom to much.

    hit the reload/handload section of glocktalk. read the post.

    take out your 357sig barrel and put a round in the chamber look for noticeable gap where the feedramp is. my understanding is they gave the 357sig better chamber support than the 40.

    btw has been reports of 45acp models kabooming.

    good solution is aftermarket barrel with chamber support. dont let a cartridge be inserted into the chamber repeatedly with the slide pushing it home to prevent setback. make sure barrel is clear. check brass before loading for defects.

    dont shoot lead with stock barrel.

    many reasons to KB.
     
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