Sam1911
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I just give them licence, insurance and CCW & get it over with wherever I am..
Are you guys seeing this out in the world? I've never been asked this question before. My lead foot and I have (unfortunately) some pretty regular contact with LE and this has never come up.
Sometimes I hand over the CHL, sometimes I forget, but I've never been flat out asked if there was a gun in the vehicle other than when I had a long gun visible to the LEO.
So I must ask, "Why does this law exist? What purpose does it serve?"
"Duty to inform" laws are completely ridiculous. By definition they are only enforceable on those who legally carry (and statistically are the least likely people to pose a physical threat to law enforcement), because those carrying illegally can exercise their fifth amendment right against self incrimination, invalidating the duty to inform.
So I must ask, "Why does this law exist? What purpose does it serve?"
There is NO X amount of step/moves rule for carrying a gun in a car in Florida, not at ALL...never has been
The rule is it must be securely encased and not immediately accessible for use Securely encased is defined as in a glove box, snap holster or a container that has a lid to that has to be opened to access the gun etc, immediately accessible is defined as in as easy to grab and use as if it were on your person, storing as above it is not immediately ready for use
just keep it in the glove box, or center console w/ a lid or just in a snap holster, if you tell the cop you have it expect them to take it, and unload all mags and then they will drop the empty mags, gun and loose bullets in your trunk and tell you you may go
In Florida there is NO duty to notify
THE DARK KNIGHT said:We don't even have legal carry here and "Do you have any weapons in the car" is a standard question from Cops for everyone but old ladies and soccer moms. I'm honestly surprised it's not SOP in the places that do have CCW or gun in car laws or whatever.
HorseSoldier said:As I've discussed in a previous thread, your understanding of how duty to inform laws work doesn't gel with my experience in actually enforcing them. Since I outlined purposes the Alaska version thereof serves I won't reiterate them here in detail but, broadly, in terms of purpose -- they reduce risk to law abiding citizens during police contact, and provide an enforcement tool against those who do not comply with the law due to whatever motives.
I'll go along with that one! Especially if we remove the "require to inform part."How about we compromise? How about we make it a law that IF I am carrying a concealed firearm, once I am detained by LEO I am required to inform them of the concealed firearm and present my license; upon doing so, by law, the LEO would then be prohibited from disarming me unless they were going to take me into actual physical custody?
IIRC, you feel it reduces risk to law abiding citizens because it supposedly reduces the chances of a cop shooting them unnecessarily given specific circumstances. This concept completely misrepresents burden of guilt and responsibility. It is entirely the officer's responsibility to not shoot those who don't need to be shot, when interacting with them. You could just as easily say that a law abiding citizen would be much safer during a police encounter if all police officers were banned from carrying firearms, and it would be just as valid a point.As I've discussed in a previous thread, your understanding of how duty to inform laws work doesn't gel with my experience in actually enforcing them. Since I outlined purposes the Alaska version thereof serves I won't reiterate them here in detail but, broadly, in terms of purpose -- they reduce risk to law abiding citizens during police contact, and provide an enforcement tool against those who do not comply with the law due to whatever motives.
Dulvarian said:To be funny, I've taught my kids that if they are ever in the car with me and I get pulled over they are to put their hands on their heads. Ridiculous irony on a cop trying to be a jerk with three cute kids making you feel like a jerk, mocking you.
The way to avoid speeding tickets is not to speed.But I do anyway because it gets me out of tickets.
They don't do that in Ohio. In fact, they do precisely the opposite. Beachwood PD ORDERED a driver to remain silent during a felony stop. After ***51*** seconds, he managed to inform... and was charged and TRIED for OBEYING THEIR ORDERS. He was of course acquitted.As I've discussed in a previous thread, your understanding of how duty to inform laws work doesn't gel with my experience in actually enforcing them. Since I outlined purposes the Alaska version thereof serves I won't reiterate them here in detail but, broadly, in terms of purpose -- they reduce risk to law abiding citizens during police contact, and provide an enforcement tool against those who do not comply with the law due to whatever motives.
And informing him that you're LEGALLY armed does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING toward that end.Just need to remember that the cop is just a person doing a job that he/she wants to go home from in one piece.
How about we compromise? How about we make it a law that IF I am carrying a concealed firearm, once I am detained by LEO I am required to inform them of the concealed firearm and present my license; upon doing so, by law, the LEO would then be prohibited from disarming me unless they were going to take me into actual physical custody?