Travel Guns

[Warp]

Just don't fly.

Just not an option for a lot of people.

 

[pdsmith505]

If you travel by air and transport guns then you're willing to put up with all this. Or not. Deliberately giving up your rights and then also being taken advantage of seems to be the antithesis of defending the 2A.

"Those who give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety." Which is exactly what is happening.

I can't speak for anyone else here, but, as for me, my job requires me to travel by commercial air, quite frequently. I don't have a choice in the matter.

My job also does not allow me to carry at work, despite several high profile shootings at some of our facilities in the recent past.

But, I can bet that my current job has a helluva lot more to do with defending the 2nd than you think.

It's funny, I remembered someone bloviating on a thread over in the NFA section a while back about how getting permission to own a silencer is the anti-thesis of freedom and how could you possibly be willing to give up your rights blah blah blah...

There is no happy and joyful defense of this Act - and making apologetics for is something that needs to be called into account. There was a time when the citizens of America were free to purchase a short barreled machine gun with suppressor and have it literally mailed to their home no questions asked other than will the check clear.

What have we allowed to be taken from us? Our freedom.

It's also kind of funny, because after that it didn't take long to find that same guy lamenting the fact that...

I spent 22 years in the Army Reserves, Infantry Ordnance Military Police, and served as a Military Police officer when deployed. But - when I applied for a CCW, my training was not recognized by the State, I was required to attend a class and also shoot to demonstrate proficiency.

And it's the same guy who just said this:

You are considered guilty until proven innocent, same as the entire CCW permit system. As long as people cooperate with it then it will remain an imposition. You don't have to protest or yell slogans or march around with the cameras focusing on your tiny group to make it appear as if thousands showed up -

Just don't fly.

So why don't you put action to words? Get rid of that CCW you have, after all, you're part of the problem right?

 

[ZVP]

Cops steal guns too!
My stupid son got our house raided years agoI was at work, and the Police forced v their way in to arrest him with guns drawn
To make a long story short, my little .22 Derringer was gone afterward!

Nearly a year later the gun was returned,supposedly "found" during a drug ares st in posses of the bad guy(?) The finish was worn like it had ridden in a briefcase or bag..
I can't prove it but things sure look foshey,eh?
Well at least I got the little gun back
Can't trust anyone these days!

 

[ny32182]

If it is for a match, obviously I'm taking lots o-gear... if it is not for a match and is in a CCW-able place, just my normal carry gun. Glock or something equally plastic and mass produced.

I don't know how many dozens of times I've done it over the years. Never had one stolen, never showed up earlier, etc. It just isn't a big deal. You fill out the little orange tag, put in it inside the bag, and sometimes (not always) you have to show the gun in the box to a resident TSAhole, but personally I've never waited more than an extra 5 minutes.

Gun in a locked box, mags and ammo outside the box works for every airline I've ever used.

 

[harrygunner]

For airplane travel, I take my Glock 29. The 10mm is versatile enough for urban and woods settings. I keep the Glock close to stock so that if an airline loses it, it's easily replaced.

For driving, I carry my EDC custom 1911 in 10mm as usual.

 

[jstert]

i just returned from 5 week armed stay in las vegas. outbound on delta, return on aa. first time with a male (aa, at las) checkin agent, he had me open the locked gun case to see the two guns (ruger sr22 and bond arms derringer). the women agents never did so. it must have been a "guy thing." my only confusion is the kind of lock to put on the gun case- tsa or not. i put both on, none of checkin agents could give me a definitive answer. as long as im legal in the states where my airports are located (an issue in the northeast) i will never go unarmed and helpless again.


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[pdsmith505]

...my only confusion is the kind of lock to put on the gun case- tsa or not. i put both on, none of checkin agents could give me a definitive answer.

Non-tsa. TSA locks have a master key so the TSA guys can open 'em.

From the TSA website:

Firearms must be unloaded and locked in a hard-sided container and transported as checked baggage only. Only the passenger should retain the key or combination to the lock.

Since TSA locks have a master key, the only way to satisfy this is by having a non-TSA lock.

 

[Warp]

i just returned from 5 week armed stay in las vegas. outbound on delta, return on aa. first time with a male (aa, at las) checkin agent, he had me open the locked gun case to see the two guns (ruger sr22 and bond arms derringer). the women agents never did so. it must have been a "guy thing." my only confusion is the kind of lock to put on the gun case- tsa or not. i put both on, none of checkin agents could give me a definitive answer. as long as im legal in the states where my airports are located (an issue in the northeast) i will never go unarmed and helpless again.


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Non-TSA lock. People with TSA locks don't need unfettered access to your gun case.

The last flight I took (I am on a lot) the airline employee asked to see the guns in the case, which is unusual, she was a she

 

[MICHAEL T]

I can drive anywhere I want to go. I haven't been on a plane since before 911 and will not fly as long as TSA is around . I refuse to be man handled and screened by idiots on what is just another government welfare program . They couldn't catch a terrorist If had I am a terrorist tattoo on his forehead.

Bush took away with his programs many of our rights because most Americans were in a panic and quickly surrender them to the government. Never to get them back. Fools !!

 

[MICHAEL T]

i will never go unarmed and helpless again

Moment you surrendered you guns . You were unarmed and helpless . Airport good place to attack .No real security and unarmed passengers.

 

[Warp]

Airport good place to attack .No real security and unarmed passengers.

Pardon?

Of all the places I regularly go I think the airports are THE most secure/have the most armed LE presence. And that's just what we can see.

 

[hdwhit]

I smile a lot and do whatever they ask if it's reasonable and within written regulations of which I carry copies.

I commend you, Delford.

First, for being forward-thinking enough to carry a copy of the regulations.

Second, for being willing to comply with reasonable requests even when you think them silly.

The regulations do contain some ambiguity and the TSA employees have discretion in administering those regulations are are expected to exercise it. If what they ask is reasonable, it's best to comply rather than risk missing a flight. Of course, if they're asking something unreasonable, then ask for a supervisor and explain your position.

 

[hdwhit]

My employer forbids me traveling with guns, so it's not an issue for most trips. When I travel personally, I generally drive and for that I take the Smith & Wesson J-frame revolver that I inherited from my grandmother. It is small, handy and too simple to not work in an emergency.

 

[harrygunner]

Pardon?

Several years ago, I took a flight out of LAX on Southwest Airlines. The line to the metal detectors extended, without exaggeration, a hundred yards outside the building.

Have a group of terrorists inside the building and on the sidewalk and there's NO security to overcome. The whole thing would be over before the police could respond.

Like anyone else in that line with a gun, my firearm was locked in my luggage in accordance with TSA regulations.

 

[Warp]

Several years ago, I took a flight out of LAX on Southwest Airlines. The line to the metal detectors extended, without exaggeration, a hundred yards outside the building.

Have a group of terrorists inside the building and on the sidewalk and there's NO security to overcome. The whole thing would be over before the police could respond.

Like anyone else in that line with a gun, my firearm was locked in my luggage in accordance with TSA regulations.

There's NO security inside of the airport building? You sir are quite wrong


And the airports I see these days have armed security both inside and outside, and the lines never ever go outside the doors, and could not, because the airports I see these days are not even set up that way

 

[harrygunner]

Have you ever been outdoors at the Los Angeles International Airport (LAX)?

In keeping with what this thread is about, of the dozens of airports I've walked in and out of, LAX's process for handling guns for flights is one of the easiest.

Sioux City (SUX) loves to run explosives test swabs on everything carried in. Miami was so bad I stopped having it on my itinerary and fly into West Palm Beach to drive down. Only had one instance where my luggage holding my gun was delayed. The confused agent at Miami International caused that. Thought it was lost after waiting for hours for it to arrive.

Most other airports are middle of the road and the whole process in unremarkable.

 

[Warp]

Have you ever been outdoors at the Los Angeles International Airport (LAX)?

In keeping with what this thread is about, of the dozens of airports I've walked in and out of, LAX's process for handling guns for flights is one of the easiest.

Sioux City (SUX) loves to run explosives test swabs on everything carried in. Miami was so bad I stopped having it on my itinerary and fly into West Palm Beach to drive down. Only had one instance where my luggage holding my gun was delayed. The confused agent at Miami International caused that. Thought it was lost after waiting for hours for it to arrive.

Most other airports are middle of the road and the whole process in unremarkable.

This thread is about traveling with guns. It seems your input is that you believe LAX is a prime, unguarded, no-security present soft terrorist target, so you choose not to use LAX. Or Miami.

 

[200Apples]

Jimster

Should I use two padlocks on the case?

Yes. Why not. I do. Two padlocks on each case.

I just tavelled to Portland from Los Angeles on the Amtrak Coast Starlight. I checked two "commercially-made cases"; both Pelican. One contained the limit of 11 lbs of ammunition, the other a declared a Remington 1100, and I stuffed a Kimber in the case. Next time, I'll declare each firearm.

No hassles whatsoever, after being patient while the clerk at the Amtrak satellite (not Union Station) Van Nuys station got up to speed with the checked firearms rules. He was pleasant and professional, just not experienced with folks checking firearms.