Trends in suppressor (silencer) ownership?

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I've never really considered a supressor. I use foam ear plugs for a lot of my practice so I don't have the shooter's ring. As for my feelings on them, don't care one way or the other. If someone is going to shoot someone they're going to shoot them.
 
Suppressor design has come a long way in the past few decades. With numerous companies trying to keep up with demand, quality has improved. OPS Inc., AAC, SWR, KAC, AWC, and Surefire all make good products. Even smaller companies like Liberty Suppressors and Innovative Arms make good, usable cans. With the choices available, just about anyone can afford a can. My .22 can from Innovative Arms is top notch, and it only cost me $260 plus stamp. My M41k (old model) was $550 and makes my AR hearing safe.

The affordability of cans combined with increased media attention (internet and print) has greatly increased ownership and therefore knowledge. It's great IMO.

Lets not forget the expiration of the 1994 AWB that made it illegal to thread barrels and/or add flash suppressors along with a bunch of other BS. In addition there were very few gun boards in 1993..... so until 2005 no one could really get a decent host firearm to put their suppressors on so as people began to get their toys so did the posts regarding them.

You do have a good point with the better suppressors available though. AAC and SWR have made HUGE leaps and bounds in the suppressor industry. With the new advancements in technology of metals and welding techniques (such as Inconel, fully automated welding, etc) has made suppressors 5x better than their former rivals in just the last few years.

Some (like those that have fart can mufflers on their Honda Civics) enjoy increased noise and thats ok. I am not just one of those folks and enjoy shooting suppressed. It is pleasant to not have to listen to a huge bang when making distance shots with a .308 or even rapid fire 9mm. Why put crap in your ears to keep your hearing if you can just turn down the volume on the firearm? Here are a few of my toys with a couple of my SWR suppressors.

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I tend to agree with you Matthew. I always knew they were legal here, but I thought there was a ton of work that went into getting one. A member that used to post here a bunch (444) told me it really wasn't too hard, just filling out paperwork and waiting, so I did it. Had it not been for a site like this I likely would never have gotten one.

The majority of the people that see me with a suppressor at the range come up and ask if I'm a cop. Many gun owners don't know that they are legal. I think that as more people get them, and more people at the range become exposed to them, they get more popular.
 
I would personally like to get one to protect my hearing when shooting. You only have one set of ears and I want to do all I can to keep my hearing. When i get the cash, I'm seriously considering one for a 22 pistol.
 
The accessibility/price factor also isn't as bad as a lot of people think. I was chatting with a young guy I was buying a gun from today, and we ended up talking suppressors.

I mentioned that I'd been tempted to do the whole "suppressed Minx" thing, getting one of those tiny single-action Berettas in .22 Short, getting a threaded barrel and a small can, etc.

I started to say "it's a pretty expensive indulgence", but then I realized that even with the stamp the whole thing would only run around $600 on a good day ($150 used pistol, $50 aftermarket long barrel, $200 basic can, $200 stamp), and that's not really much worse than folks who buy an extra Glock just because their other Glock is a bit shorter or for a different cartridge.

And as inflation increases, $200 is less and less of a bother, and more and more cans come onto the market the more folks start buying cans.

I'm really curious to see if mainstream publications like G&A start covering suppressors much in the near future. Then again, with all the forums these days those magazines probably have less and less influence compared to people just coming onto THR or other forums and seeing all the folks who own suppressors and enjoy them.
 
Mr Rogers,

I know I need to pay the tax and obtain an approved ATF form 1 first. Nothing I said here should lead anyone to believe I was breaking the law.

The fact is, $50 for material and $200 for the tax is much more reasonable than dishing out $500 plus tax for a professionally made silencer as long as it is well made.

As my wife says after I proudly show her the result of 12 hours of labor on the lathe; "Its a pipe". She is a girly girl computer nerd from Thailand, so I have given up on her understanding my passion about firearms. She is right though, it is just a pipe, with a few baffles thrown in. The highest taxed piece of pipe in the USA.

Ranb
 
Ranb,

For a pistol or rimfire suppressor you can easily make your own. But for a rifle suppressor it would cost you thousands upon thousands to get the level of suppression that you can purchase for <$1K from AAC. Fully weld and sealed Inconel suppressors are tough to build. The machine to do these welds cost as much as some people's homes.

But good job with your own Form 1 creations. I envy anyone that can drill their own K Baffles and design their own cans (don't know anyone personally..) but obviously you have a nack for machining.

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Thanks for the kind words, but I must comment on some of what you say. One does not need any more than 0.001" precision to make a quality silencer in my opinion. While doing this on a $1500 12” x 30” Chinese hobby lathe can be tedious, it is the best way to go for me when making one of a kind silencers for my own gun collection.

Making silencers does not require the same kind of precision that rifle makers require. It also does not require inconel or titanium unless you need it for a full auto rating. For my last project (out of seven so far) I started with 4130 steel tubing, I checked it for adequate straightness, within ten-thousands for each foot is good enough for me. I then square it off on the lathe using a steady rest. While I sometimes use a drill bit held in a tailpiece chuck to make a hole in a piece that is in the work holding chuck; that hole is always widened and centered using a tool bit ensuring that any piece that needs a hole in the center is perfectly centered. The end caps and baffles were machined from 4130. The baffles were merely 0.003 smaller than the ID of the can and pushed in with a wooden dowel. I assemble the can and press it together in the lathe. The end caps are welded on with a wire feed welder then ground down, I do not have a TIG welder or I would use that. The end caps and center adaptor (it is a 2-pointed mounted can) are all within 0.001 inches of the required size. This enables me to use a silencer bore of 0.400 inches for a 0.338 bullet (it is a 338 RUM rifle).

While some consider this bore to be too generous and lets too much noise out, I can be assured of clearance even if the can comes unscrewed a full turn while shooting. The barrel is a Pac-Nor with shoulders machined four inches in back of the muzzle and another shoulder just to the rear of the muzzle threads. The threads only hold the can on against barrel pressure, the shoulders hold it in the proper axial position and ensure no baffle strikes. With 30 thousands clearance on either side of the bullet as it passes through, holding to only 0.001” on the parts still ensures proper alignment. I used a 0.300” bore on a steel 5.56 can, but it only had a single point mount.

If I had more experience, I would have welded the baffle stack together before assembly, then I could have used a thinner tube to reduce weight. If the stack loosens up due to use, I can just cut off the end cap, hammer out the baffles, then weld them together after a slight modification. What I can not do is replace parts, make the silencer longer or change the bore size unless it is sent to a class 2 SOT for repair. I do not think any SOT is going to work on a home made can for liability reasons, but I could be wrong.

I do not feel I have a nack for machining. I was one of those nerds in high school who took calculus instead of shops classes. Big mistake, never had a use for calculus. When I bought my lathe, it was the best I could afford on $40K a year income and while paying a mortgage. I practiced on scrap for a little while, then made a aluminum can for a 300 whisper. It was a piece of cake, just had to not get upset when a piece of metal flew apart on the lathe because I measured improperly and removed too much metal. Spending $2000 on tools just for silencers is a good deal for me, especially if I make one a year for the next 20 years. So far the tools have cost me $285 per silencer, a very good bargain if you ask me. SSK wanted $2500 for a 510 whisper silencer. If the lathe lasts another ten years, I may have 20 silencers for the cost of a $2000 investment in tools and a BS $200 tax on each.

Ranb
 
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But it seems nowadays that every gun forum I look at, including THR, has people buying suppressors. I was pondering the reasons why,
This is a gun forum. The percentage of people who own stuff like that is drasticly greater here than among the general population. Even most people here probably don't own a suppressor.

However, ownership may have increased, with more people hearing about them and learning that they are not illegal, and how to get them and the required tax stamp.
 
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...Zak Smith placing videos of quite long-range shooting, without the need for ears
I don't know what kind of supressor Zak uses versus what the guys I have shot with use, but the only supressed rifles I have seen shot were NOT quiet enough to do away with ear protection.
Hi,

To clarify, I do not recommend or promote shooting without adequate ear protection, in the videos or otherwise. Hearing damage is cumulative and can occur without one noticing it. I think it's accepted that earpro should be worn when shooting .22LR; however, when people shoot cans they claim make a .308 "as quiet as a .22", they think they don't have to wear ears? Think about that logic for a second.

I do shoot centerfire rifles from time to time with no additional ear protection. I know people who shoot suppressed without earpro much more often than I do. I do not recommend it. These people may have more cumulative hearing damage than I do.

In the case of subsonic .22LR, I often do not wear earpro, since it is very quiet.

Suppressed AR-15s are loud (even shooting subsonic .300 Fireball) because a lot of noise comes back through the action (for lack of a better description). From the shooter's point of view, a .308 bolt rifle will be quieter than an AR-15.
 
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