Trijicon ACOG with red dot on top

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  1. giggitygiggity

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    I am interested in getting a Trijicon ACOG scope. I know that some of the places offer them with red dot sights on top of the ACOG's. Can all ACOG's accept red dot sights? Would I be able to order an ACOG scope and then if I feel the need later, add a red dot sight? What is required for mounting of the red dot sight onto the ACOG? Also, what red dot sights are compatable with the ACOG's? If you have any pictures, please feel free to post. Also, if you have any pictures of you scopes and sight pictures, please feel free to post. There are so many models of ACOG's that I'm a little lost as to what I would want. Thanks.
     
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    before you shell out that kind of dough for what is definitely quality, but in an (imho) totally goofy config, put some thought into ergonomics. where will your eye have to be to use the red dot? where will it be normally? is it possible to get a cheek weld from there w/o major surgery? can you train to effectively use both?
     
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    DO NOT BUY AN ACOG!!!

    We cannot awnser this question for you. You'll need range time, competition, and carbine class experience before picking one. Those are the only places i ever see a selection of ACOG's. These are $1500 scopes and all will work OK for you, some will really stand out as better options. Personally, I like less magnification.

    You need to try a few first. Only you can choose the eye relief and recticle you like. I like the lower magnification models, with green rectiles. Bonus points for recticles that are green and have black cross hairs incase the rectical washes out (rare).

    The reddot on top of the ACOG is there for when you transition from bright to dark areas. It takes a while for your yes to readjust to the now dimmer recticle. You use the reddot until your eyes adjust.

    Laruetacticle.com is where you want to look for ACOG's with QR mounts.

    Get an Aimpoint Comp M3 or T1 because everyone can make good use of a 1x red dot if you need a defensive optic, until you are sure which ACOG is right for you.

    TA11's are a safe bet, tons of Marines with them. The Ta11G with the green recticle and black hairs under it works well, if the donut washes, the hairs get you close.

    The RMR red dot site and mount is an option you can buy seperate for all of them I think.

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    TA26SG-10

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    Watch your eye relief, more relief makes them easier to line up in weird positions. TA11's have good relief.

    My favorite:
    TA11J-G

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    I'm done. Trijicon fanboy pic mode: Off.
     
  9. TonyAngel

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    What sort of rifle is this going on? An AR-15? ACOGs are pretty expensive, so you should make sure that it's what you really want/need for your intended purpose.

    If you're just a range jockey, like me, the rig you are asking about may not be what you need. Having that mini red dot on top of the ACOG is neat in theory, but I hated using it. It was really uncomfortable and I wound up not using it much. I'd imagine that for an "operator" it could be a useful piece of equipment, but unless you NEED it, I'd pass on it. Although I ultimately got rid of my larger ACOG, I did use a TA33 for a little while. It's a 3X with very generous eye relief and I didn't have any problems engaging targets at 25 yards with it employing BAC. Had no need for a red dot with that scope. It's also relatively small.

    After having tried out a bunch of different scopes, I settled on a 1.5X ACOG. I got the TA44S. It's tiny, has VERY forgiving eye relief and has the benefit of a bit of magnification. I love it. In fact, I sold all of my red dot after having gotten it.

    Just keep in mind that when you buy an ACOG, you are NOT paying for optical quality. Although the glass is certainly a step or two above "run of the mill," what you are paying for is a bullet proof package with a unique reticle system with a unique illumination system. As I said, the ACOGs are tough and this can be attested to by lots of guys that have gone to war with them, but for me; if I'm going to shell out over $1K for a scope, I'm looking for optical quality.

    If you aren't a law enforcement officer or soldier, and are looking to drop a little chunk of change, I'd be looking at the 1-4X Nightforce. It has superior optics and it's also built well, although probably not as well as an ACOG. I went Nightforce and haven't looked back.

    If your heart is set on an ACOG, I'd get something with a little less magnification and stick with the 3Xs and under. I just think that 4X is a bit much for up close and it isn't quite enough for long range precision. Also pay attention to the eye relief. I'm not talking about reading the specs on the website. I'm talking, go to a shop that carries them and look through them. Trijicon publishes specs for their scopes based on design specifications and not what things actually are in use. Believe me, if you go by the specs alone, you may not get what you want.

    If you can't look at them, order from a place that takes returns. I'd also scour the web for reviews and pay particular attention to comments regarding eye relief.
     
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    You might also consider a red dot in an offset mount, particularly if you want to run a fixed magnification scope like an ACOG. It is a very handy combination:
    http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=385824

    However, I would definitely recommend putting the money into training or a class. Not only will you usually get a chance to play with different gear and get a much better idea of what works for you, you'll also get skills that will stay with you long after the gear is obsolete.

    As an example, I was really interested in the TA31DOC when it came out. I was taking an Intermediate Carbine Class and finally got to try one out that another student was using. I found that despite a lot of time behind ACOGs, I didn't care much for it at all. The different cheek weld to use the red dot was a deal-breaker for me.
     
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    I ran a ta31f with a red dot on top and I feel it was to high to look up into. Also if you wear ball caps and you try to get up close on the ta31f cause the eye relief is close the brim of your hat will hit the reddot You have to wear it like gomer pile. So I went to a eotech and magnifier.
     
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    I'll echo the "try it first" sentiment. A restocking fee on something that pricey is an expensive learning experience.
     
  13. TonyAngel

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    I also have to throw this in. ACOGs really don't lend themselves to precision shooting. I'm not saying that you can't do it, they just weren't meant for that sort of stuff. They're meant for shooting at people in a combat environment. They are still really cool.

    When I go out to the range, I take my two main toys. Both are carbines, with one being a carry/woods carbine with the 1.5X ACOG on it and the other is more of a precision rig with a Nightforce 2.5-10X on it and more people ask me about the ACOG than they do about the Nightforce.
     
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    You can get an ACOG through AAFES.com, find a good 15 to 20% off coupon and get it for ~$935
     
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    You can also consider the TR21 or TR24. Variable power. Not ACOGs but I like them better myself.
     
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    It wasn't cheap, but I really love my ACOG. The thing I like the most about it is that it works pretty well for everything and requires no tweaking or fiddling. In that sense I think it fits a 14.5-20" AR perfectly - a real jack of all trades. For a specialized weapon in a specialized role, it's less than ideal. But for general purpose shooting with 5.56mm, there's not much else to compete with it.
     
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    I tried one for a reflexive fire session on the range, and found that the DOC just sits way too high. With extensive retraining I'm sure a person could gain proficiency, but at the cost of losing cheek weld and raising the head high enough to lose some stability on the rifle.

    Train to look over the optic just enough to see the front sight, and you'll do fine at shorter distances.

    Zero D, wondering if you could elaborate on this. Everyone I was on the firing line with though that they were for close-in work where a 3x reticle wasn't practical.
     
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    If your shooting with an ACOG on a field in bright sunlight, with your eyes adjusted for such bright light, when you enter indoors or enter the tree line, your recticle dims as it should, but your eyes are used to bright light and cant see the dimmer recticle.

    The models that combine black cross hairs with the fibreoptic rectical have less of a problem with this. BAC still allows CQB use. Your left eyes see's the room, your right eye superimposes the recticle onto the image your left is seeing. Takes a while to get used to, but ACOGs can work decent at CQB, dont expect them to keep up with Aimpoint or Eotechs though.

    BAC Even works on the Trijicon Accupoint scopes. I can often Aim at something i see at 1x, even when my scope is set to 10x. My dominant eye moves the recticle. And the bighter it is the better it works.

    You can just point shoot for CQB anyway. I'd rather have an Aimpoint T1 mounted in one of those Larue diagnol mounts on my handgard.

    If CQB is a legit need, then stick to the 1.5x ACOG's or 1x Aimpoints They feel like a 1x scope.

    IMO, the ACOG is a special optic for special situations that require mid-range targets. You can allways just transition to your pistol for indoors anyway. Keep in mind the Accupoints are adjustable down to 1x but offer more magnification than the ACOG. Nightforce has nice 1x scopes as well.

    But the ACOG, and 1x Accupoint/Nightforce scopes will still have "scope shadow"and require proper head alighnment that an Aimpoint or Eotech deos not.
     
  19. W.E.G.

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    I can't imagine a situation that I would ever find MYSELF in where I would need both on the gun at the same time.

    Moreover, neither device is a great telescopic sight or a great red-dot sight.

    I see it as paying more, and getting less.

    YMMV.
     
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    Don't know that I would agree with switching to pistol "just because," but the rest of it makes sense. Thanks man. I'm of the opinion that point shooting can be easily done on a man-size tgt w/i 20m. I've had a red dot this tour though and have enjoyed it for the speed on anything w/i 25m. Regardless of ACOG vs. Aimpoint vs. Eotech, I try to be a "both eyes open" shooter.
     
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    I used the set-up for a year and decided I didn't like the headsup display the dot on top afforded.
    It is near impossible to get a decent dot regulation past about fifty meters.

    A better option is an ACOG with the dot optic offset mounted on the same plane as the ACOG.

    I'll try to get a picture posted or someone will I'm sure.
     
  22. Uncle Mike

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    This is why the 3-Gun crew mount their 'dot' sight on the right side of the receiver, on a 45 degree angle, when needed the rifle is canted to the left untill the dot sight comes into view, the stock remains solid on the shoulder, your cheek weld, if you can even say that in the same sentence with AR and collapsible stock, remains, for the most part.

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    Some even mount 'iron' sights this way.. picture-13-24.png

    You can see how the rifle is 'canted' to access the offset sights, notice the cheek weld is still there!....works great!
     
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