True Story: CA Just Banned Semi-Auto Handguns*
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Orthonym
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My Ancient Star PD
has a little notch in the breech end of its little barrel through which, if the light's good, I can see a glint of brass from the case head, if there's a cartridge in it. Does that count as a loaded chamber indicator in Kali?
has a little notch in the breech end of its little barrel through which, if the light's good, I can see a glint of brass from the case head, if there's a cartridge in it. Does that count as a loaded chamber indicator in Kali?
tiberius
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I think so, I have seen 1911 style pistols with this modification.
artherd
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Barrett has balls of API, that's for sure.
For that reason alone, I will buy an M82A1 rifle from him one day (oh, that and they're bloody awesome, but that's besides the point, right?
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What is it going to take? A pollice officer (because a civillian's life just isn't that important) dead in the streets with a round in the chamber, mid-reload, because his 'mag disconnect' didn't let him use that holdout round to save his life?
CLI is just another thing that SOUNDS like a good idea, but isn't.
A) Relying on any indicator other than *checking the goddamn chamber* for a round is dangerous in the extreme. The indicator CAN fail. Many new lawsuits here.
B) Guns are always loaded! Adding a device that actively encourages people to break this rule of gun handling is irresponsible at best, and criminally prosecutable at worst.
C) CLI, like an internal locking device, is one more device to break and jam up the entire gun, and possibly get someone killed.
D) They just don't work. I didn't even realize my Glock had one for several days. They won't stop a total friggin idoit from pointing the gun at his face and shooting himself (see the Beretta lawsuit.)
Don't get me started on mag disconnects. I will not have one in any gun I ever own. They WILL get someone killed. If they haven't already.
For that reason alone, I will buy an M82A1 rifle from him one day (oh, that and they're bloody awesome, but that's besides the point, right?
)What is it going to take? A pollice officer (because a civillian's life just isn't that important) dead in the streets with a round in the chamber, mid-reload, because his 'mag disconnect' didn't let him use that holdout round to save his life?
CLI is just another thing that SOUNDS like a good idea, but isn't.
A) Relying on any indicator other than *checking the goddamn chamber* for a round is dangerous in the extreme. The indicator CAN fail. Many new lawsuits here.
B) Guns are always loaded! Adding a device that actively encourages people to break this rule of gun handling is irresponsible at best, and criminally prosecutable at worst.
C) CLI, like an internal locking device, is one more device to break and jam up the entire gun, and possibly get someone killed.
D) They just don't work. I didn't even realize my Glock had one for several days. They won't stop a total friggin idoit from pointing the gun at his face and shooting himself (see the Beretta lawsuit.)
Don't get me started on mag disconnects. I will not have one in any gun I ever own. They WILL get someone killed. If they haven't already.
Orthonym
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OH! yeah, c_yeager!
Does anyone remember the Black Panthers? Didn't they assert their rights under California law to go openly armed in public, and didn't they scare the legislature into changing the law? Had the BPs been what they said they were, and done what they said they were doing, I would be on their side but, as it came out, they weren't so much into justice as they were into gettin' over on people, in a nasty, murderous Bolshevik kind of way.
Does anyone remember the Black Panthers? Didn't they assert their rights under California law to go openly armed in public, and didn't they scare the legislature into changing the law? Had the BPs been what they said they were, and done what they said they were doing, I would be on their side but, as it came out, they weren't so much into justice as they were into gettin' over on people, in a nasty, murderous Bolshevik kind of way.
GigaBuist
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Glock's have loaded chamber indicators? Which ones? Where?
I'm going to crap my pants if one of mine has one and I don't know it.
It's on the right, behind the ejection port. It's parallel to the barrel, and it juts out a little with a round in the chamber. (Going from memory here -- I've never found this a useful feature.)
Here: from a google images search (glockfaq.com):
Note that the one I remember was longer, and seemed to not touch the ejection port. Could be a function of failing memory in my old age (early 30's).
Note that the one I remember was longer, and seemed to not touch the ejection port. Could be a function of failing memory in my old age (early 30's).
Sven
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Wonder what the cost to CA of enforcing SB489 is - ARNOLD ARE YOU LISTENING? THERE IS PORK TO TRIM!
armoredman
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Still lots of room in AZ for good gun people - leave the Birkenstock wearing, Volvo driving, vegetarian anti gun/hunting/selfdefense LIEberals behind, will ya? Enough of them have moved here they think they can change things.....and fail miserably when they try!
Cosmoline
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I like the chamber indicator on my Walther PP, but that's just because I'm nervous around semis. I see no reason why it should be mandated. I disilke the notion of a magazine disconnector as well, but I think it should be an option if the market demand is there.
Glad I live in a free state!
Glad I live in a free state!
inventory0297
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This beyond stupid law is the final straw, I'm moving my legal residency to my cabin in Tahoe (Nevada side thank god). Looking forward to some class III goodies, CA can kiss my ??? for the 5 figure taxes I pay yearly. After its set up I'll be glad to "personally import" off list handguns for all the Cali convicts.
With regards to how this whole thing started (the Dix lawsuit), I think it bears repeating what anyone with an ounce of common sense will know:
If you point a gun at someone and pull the trigger, EXPECT it to fire. Mr. Dix, your son was killed by a friend's stupidity, NOT a quality Beretta firearm.
But thanks for all the hassle sir.
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With regards to how this whole thing started (the Dix lawsuit), I think it bears repeating what anyone with an ounce of common sense will know:
If you point a gun at someone and pull the trigger, EXPECT it to fire. Mr. Dix, your son was killed by a friend's stupidity, NOT a quality Beretta firearm.
But thanks for all the hassle sir.
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Balog
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armoredman: hey, I like Volvos!
Partisan Ranger
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If we all banded together, would it be possible to saw California off the continental US? Or perhaps blast it off with high explosives? Turn it into a Pacific island perhaps?
tiberius
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Where's Lex Luther when we really need him?
Standing Wolf
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Never—ever—under any circumstances—trust a R.I.N.O.
This is true. Remember the Ammo tax? The .50cal ban? These, along with probably a bunch of other outrageous bills were killed in CA because enough gun owners were motivated to write to their congresscritters. Say an organization such as the NRA or the CRPA figured out which company was the biggest supplier to LE agencies in California (my bet is glock
), and had their members and other gun owners write these companies saying "Stop selling to LE agencies in California or i will never buy another of your products". If enough people said that and stuck to it, and that company listened, i'm willing to bet the agencies would cave pretty fast. They would need replacement parts, and bitch and moan until the legislature stopped wiping with the Constitution.Wow, that was one hell of a run on sentence.
BryanP
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"Otisberg?"Where's Lex Luther when we really need him?
artherd
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They'd just switch to Rugers .
Barrett could make such a threat because he has almost no other competition (nobody else makes anything quite like the M82A1! ) Wheras say Bushmaster tried to do the same thing? Fine, I'll go buy a Colt/Armalite/RRA weapon that's very very nearly the same gun.
I hate to say it, but cappitolism will prevail in such a situation. Only Glock could come close, and the PDs would just switch to Berettas on our dime.
.Barrett could make such a threat because he has almost no other competition (nobody else makes anything quite like the M82A1! ) Wheras say Bushmaster tried to do the same thing? Fine, I'll go buy a Colt/Armalite/RRA weapon that's very very nearly the same gun.
I hate to say it, but cappitolism will prevail in such a situation. Only Glock could come close, and the PDs would just switch to Berettas on our dime.
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