URGENT!!! SB 489 is ON the governors desk!!!

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I recieved this email just now.

PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, TAKE A MINUTE AND CALL!!!!!!! If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

:cuss:


A new State law (Senate Bill 489) has been passed by the legislature and will become law unless Governor Davis vetoes it within 30 days. This law will severely impact the already limited number of handguns that will be available in California by requiring two "safety features" that most modern handguns don't have (and which are easily and frequently deactivated on handguns that do have them). This legislation probably sounds reasonable to someone not very familiar with handguns, but really makes very little sense. It will require that handguns have a "loaded chamber indicator" to show if there is a cartridge in the chamber. If someone is so irresponsible as to point a handgun at someone else and pull the trigger, do you think they will know how to use, and be deterred by, a loaded chamber indicator (which is often just a tiny window in the side of the chamber through which you can see a bit of the cartridge, or a slight protrusion of the extractor)? Not likely. The same logic applies to the magazine disconnect. Secure storage and safe handling practices are the answer, not these.

The real effect (and intent, I believe) of this legislation is not to make guns safer, but rather, to effectively ban MANY popular, high-quality handguns from the California market. I doubt that most manufacturers will re-design many (if any) of their handguns to have these generally undesirable features just so they can sell them in California. If this passes, most of the semi-automatic handguns I've offered in my e-mails will not longer be available to Californians (per the Mercury News article at the bottom of this message - only "11 percent of semi-automatic handgun sold in the U.S. have chamber load designators, while 14 percent have interlocks that make them impossible to fire without a magazine in place." I don't know what percentage of handguns have both - maybe 6%?

It currently appears that our best chance to prevent this law from going into effect is to call and/or fax the governor's office and urge him to veto SB489. I just called, and it was easy. I didn't have to speak with anyone - I just made a couple of touch-tone selections, and was able to leave a recorded opinion on this legislation. Here are the numbers:

Governor's Phone: 916 445-2841
Governor's FAX: 916 445-4633


More information is below.


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From Davidson's "Bullet Points":

CALIFORNIA DREAMIN' . . . SB 489 has been passed and awaits Governor Gray Davis's signature to require magazine disconnects on semi-autos and a loaded chamber indicator (LCI) on new models of firearms to be sold in the state. This government mandate eliminates consumer choice on which product to buy. What is most unfortunate about such "feel good" attempts to legislate human behavior is the false hope that the same careless or ignorant person who would point a firearm at another and pull the trigger would somehow understand the significance of an obscure loaded chamber indicator. And since we've all been taught not to trust a mechanical device to take the place of safe firearms handling, the pitfalls of the magazine disconnect are obvious. There is no substitute for safe gun handling and responsible firearm ownership.


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A link to the Gun Owners of California Web site (where I got the governor's numbers): http://www.gunownersca.com/


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From the NRA web site:


Issue Description Author Support? Details Action Needed

SB 489
(formerly SB 190) Semi-Auto Handgun Bill - would require that all semiautomatic handguns manufactured after January 2005 that are imported and sold in California be equipped with a loaded chamber indicator and a magazine disconnect mechanism. Scott
No SB489 has passed the Assembly and Senate and is now headed to the governor's desk.
Please CONTACT THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE and ask him to VETO SB 489. Unlike the federal government and most states, in California, when the chief executive fails to sign a bill on his desk, it BECOMES LAW by default in 30 days.

For talking points, search for chamber indicator in these articles: Claremont.org, Beeman's, Dr. Faria

Many thanks to Smith & Wesson for their strong lobbying effort against SB601 and SB489!
Contact the Governor
(Click here)





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From the San Jose Mercury News:

Posted on Fri, Sep. 05, 2003

Bill would require new handgun safety designs
By the Mercury News

A bill designed to curb accidental shootings in California by requiring new safety designs for semiautomatic handguns is being considered today by the state Legislature.

Senate Bill-489 by state Senator Jack Scott, D-Pasadena, was approved Thursday in the Assembly on a 41-33 vote. The measure requires gun manufacturers to add indicators that show if there is a bullet in the chamber, or make it impossible to fire if the ammunition magazine is not inserted in the gun.

If adopted, the measure would require the new designs on handguns sold in California after January 1, 2006.

Currently, 11 percent of semiautomatic handguns sold in the U.S. have chamber load designators, while 14 percent have interlocks that make them impossible to fire without the magazine in place.

The bill could go to Gov. Davis for his signature as early as next week.


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Mercury News wire services contributed to this report. To read the text of the bill, go to SB-489.
 
Browning HP has the magazine disconnect. So does a Phoenix Arms HP-22. The Beretta autos' extractors double as loaded chamber indicators...but I can't think of a single automatic that has both those features.

Though I hate to be overly pessimistic, I think there's zero chance of the Almighty Governor vetoing this thing. It's California after all. It's Gray Davis.

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Well, here's my fax to him. I was far too polite.

Gov Davis,

I urge you to veto this bill. It is not an effective means of reducing accidents with handguns or any other type of firearm. As a citizen that has voted in every election since I turned 18 in 1980, I see this as a further erosion of our rights here in California. We already have some of most stringent gun laws in the nation.

It's time we enforced those laws and stop infringing on the rights of law abiding gun owners and collectors. The signing of this bill will undermine the already tepid support that you enjoy.

Please reconsider any support that you have for this bill.

thank you,

Scott
 
Davis could give a hoot.

He probably has my letter, and all those others, in front of him as he signs the bill in order to screw the right wing conspiracy.

So how's that job market in Nevada? Arizona?
 
They want us to leave...and it will kill this state more than they can imagine.


Most all gun owners I know in CA are upper income taxpayers-as they leave, so does the tax base.

Upper income taxpayers are leaving CA in droves, and with all the new taxes, the flow is increasing.

they think they are hurting now?

just let us all leave!
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't this bill, if signed into law, make all 1911's and Glocks illegal to sell in California, along with almost all other semiauto handguns? I'm sure that there will be some manufacturers who will modify their guns to make them "California legal", but I doubt it would be many. Does this bill also prevent private sale (from one individual to another individual) of firearms without these features in California?

From what I've read, the only reason California still has positive population growth is because of the vast amounts of immigrants coming into the State. Natives of the State are fleeing from it en-masse, due to ever-increasing tax burdens upon them, and increasing encroachments upon their freedoms, like this bill. The immigrants (not knocking immigrants, just stating facts) are likely much poorer than the natives that are leaving the State, meaning that they will provide much less income to the State in the form of taxes, and will use more of the State's resources in the form of social services. Thusly, California will hemorrhage cash at an even higher rate than it is now.

I really don't see what can be done to prevent California from crashing and burning. It would require actions that the politicians there are simply unwilling to take.
 
If it was me, I would pick up and move elsewhere without delay. Just leave the whole state to all those folks who like it there now, like the current rules, and who like the status quo. I don't believe that there will be any changing for the better. In fact I only see it getting worse. As pro-gun people continue to exit the state (and they are), there will be fewer and fewer to defend the cause.

You can be a martyr for the cause if you stay and fight but the personal suffering will be rough. Is it really worth it? What does California have that can't be located and loved outside of California?
 
California does NOT have positive population growth.

Nope. More are leaving than coming in now.

Four years ago, we have 44,000 millionaires.

We're down to about half that.

:scrutiny:

The real point of SB489 is to drive gun dealers out of business. We're getting perilously close to the point where it won't be worth it to stay in biz. I don't think this law will necessarily be the breaking point, but it's coming up.

It's also going to break the banks on a lot of PDs/Sheriffs, who'll have to switch out their guns (esp. Glocks). Not because the law itself forces them to, but because the legislature just declared their guns "junk" - having done so, the liability risk in keeping them is too horrendous.

Then again, the same is true for the dealers. The ban on sales won't kick in until 2005 if I recall right. Meanwhile, we'll have dealers selling guns that have been "declared junk". Some moron blows his foot off...lawsuit city against the dealer.
 
Jim,

It has come to my attention that the current handguns that are on the list come 2006 will be allowed to stay on the "safe" list provided the manufacturer pays the fee every year. If they let it expire and then try and resubmit than they have to redesign the gun. This is better than I thought, but its still one of the worst laws possible.

If I'm mistaken about this the California elected victim disarmers are even worse than I thought.

I'd like to see this whole fictitious California "safety" handgun test challenged in court.
 
What does California have that can't be located and loved outside of California?

Ok, I'm sorry I'm going to harp on you, but I've had it with these comments.

Comments like this make me REALLY wonder *** sort of people frequent these online forums.

King, do you have any friends? Family? Great job you love? A home? Lived your entire life in the same general area? Too many memories?

Hmmm...what does cali have that can't be relocated?

Both my grandmothers.

The graves of both my grandfathers.

The house my father, his brother and sister were born and raised in.

The property his father owned and is still in the family.

Dozens and dozens of relatives. Probably several hundred, actually.

Hundreds, if not thousands, of friends and acquaintances.

My job, which cannot be "transfered" or relocated, nor could a comparable job be found pretty much anywhere.

California has the places and people that make up the memories of my entire life.

How much would it cost to relocate that, King?

Still think its so easy?

I'm sorry to dump on you, but man.... :banghead:
 
Then fight the good fight and hope for the best Dr Jones. You're lucky to have those sort of attachments. That's exactly why I am attached to Texas. Difference is, Texas ain't that bad. California takes enough flak in this world from all over that I would never choose it to live. In this case, it chose you. So peace and prosperity to you.

As Jim March puts it, the poplution there is going down. There's a reason.

The rich are bailing out, there is a reason (don't want to pay heavy taxes, etc).

Serious pro-gun people bail like crazy.

I read enough here and elsewhere to know better. However, I intended no harm. Only to point out that there are other options in this mobile country.
 
9/24/2003 2:30 PM: SB489 was signed by the governor, against the opposition of law enforcement agencies across California.
 
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