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Germans and Italians too although not as many.
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I wondered (or maybe "hoped" is a better word) if it was something like that.... I really, really, REALLY hope you're right about that.
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Trump has done NOTHING to harm gun owners and SCORED a major pro-2A victory by successfully appointing Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court.
Why are some many THR members so weak of faith and myopic?
Why are some many THR members so weak of faith and myopic?
We've been screwed over so many times, and backstabbed so often, why would we trust anyone?
I agree that it's early to panic, though..... but I will keep a close eye on this.
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I also liked Condoleeza Rice as Secretary Of State. Hardest job on the planet during GWB second term.
What she has said about firearms and 2nd Amendment are very troubling and I cannot vote for her. Just one of several articles about her and guns. <http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-second-amendments-place-in-modern-world.html >
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This is why one must be a Constitutionalist first, otherwise emotions and public opinion weigh the person down trying to hold it all up him/herself. Having a foundation on the Constitution and Bill of Rights, it allows a person to bear the weight, as those that are speaking against him/her have to argue with the Founding Fathers, and not the person who is trying to uphold the founding documents in a modern world. Much like a Christian goes to the Bible when confronted, it turns the argument from a me vs. them to a them vs. God's word </end religion talk>. Same could be said being a believer in the the founding documents allows a leader to direct the argument and attacks away from what I believe to what the founding fathers believe and instituted.
Sadly, we have not seen such a person in a long time, I think Ted Cruz has a good founding in our Constitution and Bill of Rights but lacked some passion and fire. I was long hoping I would see him stir up something in himself and really fight for the presidency, but alas, it was not meant to be.
I once thought that about Condoleeza Rice as well and then she said this:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-second-amendments-place-in-modern-world.html
Sadly, we have not seen such a person in a long time, I think Ted Cruz has a good founding in our Constitution and Bill of Rights but lacked some passion and fire. I was long hoping I would see him stir up something in himself and really fight for the presidency, but alas, it was not meant to be.
I once thought that about Condoleeza Rice as well and then she said this:
This month's massacre in Parkland, Fla., seems like a key moment in the nation's ongoing debate about the Second Amendment, former U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said during a radio interview Friday.
“I think it is time to have a conversation about what the right to bear arms means in the modern world,” Rice told radio host Hugh Hewitt on Friday. “I don’t understand why civilians need to have access to military weapons. We wouldn’t say you can go out and buy a tank.”
More specifically, Rice said weapons like the AR-15 rifle that authorities say shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz, 19, used to kill 17 students and teachers Feb. 14, shouldn't be available to civilians, the Washington Times reported.
NIKOLAS CRUZ CHARGED IN FLORIDA SCHOOL SHOOTING
But Rice, who served under President George W. Bush, made clear that she remains a believer in the Second Amendment.
“We can’t throw away the Second Amendment and keep the First,” she said, adding that she considers the first two amendments to the Constitution to be “indivisible.”
“I think it is time to have a conversation about what the right to bear arms means in the modern world,” Rice told radio host Hugh Hewitt on Friday. “I don’t understand why civilians need to have access to military weapons. We wouldn’t say you can go out and buy a tank.”
More specifically, Rice said weapons like the AR-15 rifle that authorities say shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz, 19, used to kill 17 students and teachers Feb. 14, shouldn't be available to civilians, the Washington Times reported.
NIKOLAS CRUZ CHARGED IN FLORIDA SCHOOL SHOOTING
But Rice, who served under President George W. Bush, made clear that she remains a believer in the Second Amendment.
“We can’t throw away the Second Amendment and keep the First,” she said, adding that she considers the first two amendments to the Constitution to be “indivisible.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-second-amendments-place-in-modern-world.html
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Yeah, I heard Condoleeza interviewed about guns on one of the Sirius channels last week. Her comments was quite disappointing to a (former) strong supporter (i.e.me).
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Hadn't heard that interview before. Hmm.....might have to rethink supporting her. 
But you can go out and buy a tank. The gun is a DD if not deactivated, as is every round you own with it, but you can.
But you can go out and buy a tank. The gun is a DD if not deactivated, as is every round you own with it, but you can.
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Just like most antigun politicians, she "believes" in the 2nd Amendment BUT nobody should own an AR-15. They pay lip service to the 2nd Amendment but have no clue what it's really all about (hint: that civilians should be as well armed as the standing army).
Rice has made it clear time and time again that she's not interested in running for elective office. Which is a good thing.
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I do believe President Trump is a man of his word, and do believe he was referring to the idiot that killed all those kids at school. After all he had police called to his house 39 times due to violence and threats, what more do they need to confiscate his guns? Something like that has nothing to do with "Due Process", it has to do with common sense.
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We must be a nation of laws, period. I don't know the details of those 39 visits by the police, but if they didn't have cause for arrest or confiscation of property, their hands are tied. Trump sounded like a dictator in his ridiculous rant. What he should have said is we need to look into our laws and how we can prevent police coming to a man's house 39 times and not be able to do something. The key words in my statement was "look into our laws."
Not strip the man of his rights and look into whether he deserved it later, this is what one would expect from a Communist country. Trump should have to answer to being caught with such words coming out of the mouth of the leader of the FREE world.
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Yes. The main impediment is money. Plus, finding somebody willing to sell you a current tank. (You can probably find a WW2 Sherman for about $100,000 to $150,000, exclusive of armament. Then how do you house and maintain it?)
Something that's very doable is a Ferret armored car. It's small enough to fit in a garage, and runs on rubber tires. For armament, you can have .30 and .50 MG's in the turret. (An operable .50 will run you about $50,000 in today's market.)
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Just under half of America votes Democrat. Same republican. There’s not many true undecided, moderate, whatever else voters. There’s no people to be won over here, really, by the gun issue.
Trump isn’t playing chess, or even checkers. Maybe tic tac toe if one is feeling generous.
As for Congress - It’s a game of blocking on each side until one gets a super majority to steamroll stuff through.
Nothing will happen now. The midterm election will decide what gets done or not. R’s stay in, no serious gun legislation. D’s win, something will happen. Trump will likely sign it if the polls say it’s a good for him.
Donald clearly isn’t a Constitutionalist, but many conservatives aren’t on anything but 2A and 10A.
Trump isn’t playing chess, or even checkers. Maybe tic tac toe if one is feeling generous.
As for Congress - It’s a game of blocking on each side until one gets a super majority to steamroll stuff through.
Nothing will happen now. The midterm election will decide what gets done or not. R’s stay in, no serious gun legislation. D’s win, something will happen. Trump will likely sign it if the polls say it’s a good for him.
Donald clearly isn’t a Constitutionalist, but many conservatives aren’t on anything but 2A and 10A.
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When I think about Trump’s recent gun remarks, I can’t help but compare them to Trump’s DACA remarks.
DACA is an immigration issue. And after many sit downs with the Dems, Trump realized that they were going to give nothing on immigration and always bloc vote against any Trump inspired restrictionist policy.
So he offered them the Dreamers, something that looked like a concession, a partial surrender of his own promise to the electorate, and the Dems still said “No.”
Trump did this on purpose because he knew they would say “No.” He wanted to make the Democrats tell the country, explicitly, that Dem policy was total open borders and no immigration controls forever. And the Dems did that. They did it. Ha! And it looks bad to middle-of-the road voters. And Trump forcing that admission is a GOP midterm election strategy.
The guns are another issue that middle-of-the road voters get twitchy about. People who don’t have guns and know little about them get swayed by out of context stories about dead kids. Trump is signaling to those people that he wants to be strong on guns. I think he suggested that a “strong” gun seizure proposal, for the mentally ill, be attached to a school reform bill of some kind.
Will that bill even be considered before the midterm? Would a GOP house pass it? What will the seizure rules actually be?
I see this “gun control” addendum to a school reform bill as long dead before the bill gets through congress. But I see the image of a GOP president wanting to do something about dead kids as a GOP midterm election strategy. I could be wrong, but Trump has been pretty good about campaign promises. And if the GOP gains ground in the midterms, he can be even better.
DACA is an immigration issue. And after many sit downs with the Dems, Trump realized that they were going to give nothing on immigration and always bloc vote against any Trump inspired restrictionist policy.
So he offered them the Dreamers, something that looked like a concession, a partial surrender of his own promise to the electorate, and the Dems still said “No.”
Trump did this on purpose because he knew they would say “No.” He wanted to make the Democrats tell the country, explicitly, that Dem policy was total open borders and no immigration controls forever. And the Dems did that. They did it. Ha! And it looks bad to middle-of-the road voters. And Trump forcing that admission is a GOP midterm election strategy.
The guns are another issue that middle-of-the road voters get twitchy about. People who don’t have guns and know little about them get swayed by out of context stories about dead kids. Trump is signaling to those people that he wants to be strong on guns. I think he suggested that a “strong” gun seizure proposal, for the mentally ill, be attached to a school reform bill of some kind.
Will that bill even be considered before the midterm? Would a GOP house pass it? What will the seizure rules actually be?
I see this “gun control” addendum to a school reform bill as long dead before the bill gets through congress. But I see the image of a GOP president wanting to do something about dead kids as a GOP midterm election strategy. I could be wrong, but Trump has been pretty good about campaign promises. And if the GOP gains ground in the midterms, he can be even better.
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Mixed Nuts; I hope you are right and I have some of the same thinking. I also wonder if by the time the mid terms actually happen not much of this will be remembered by enough voters to matter unless we actually see some Gun Control legislation that us gun supporters cannot stomach.
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Yikes. Ms. Rice appears to have done a flip-flop. I will never vote for her.
Well, I can think of THREE obvious problems, right off the bat.
1. A bad person gets his rights trampled, gets his guns back, solely because the confiscation won't stand up in court,
THEN goes on a shooting rampage, anyway.
2. A LAGO gets his guns taken, for no good reason, other than he's arbitrarily perceived to be a threat.
3. Some anti-gun LE authority decides to use this confiscation paradigm to go hog-wild, and just start mass confiscations,
with NO real justifications, just "for the public good".
1. A bad person gets his rights trampled, gets his guns back, solely because the confiscation won't stand up in court,
THEN goes on a shooting rampage, anyway.
2. A LAGO gets his guns taken, for no good reason, other than he's arbitrarily perceived to be a threat.
3. Some anti-gun LE authority decides to use this confiscation paradigm to go hog-wild, and just start mass confiscations,
with NO real justifications, just "for the public good".
You forgot:
4. Certified Bad Dude makes a complaint against his ex-wife, gets her disarmed, then does bad things.
Confiscating guns as a pre-emptive move is not going to be enough. Nikky simply goes bar hopping, clubbing and eventually finds something useable anyway.
There was plenty of evidence, known to the Sheriff's Department and the FBI, that this guy was a tangible danger to the public. The correct route is to have such people brought before a judge and incarcerated.
There was plenty of evidence, known to the Sheriff's Department and the FBI, that this guy was a tangible danger to the public. The correct route is to have such people brought before a judge and incarcerated.
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The man is a reptile with no loyalties. He used to be a New York Democrat, remember? Perhaps he still is.
Also, he has been openly anti-gun his entire life. This sort of talk should surprise no one. He paid lip-service to the NRA during the campaign because it was politically useful to do so. He will stab the NRA in the back if that also proves politically useful.
Also, he has been openly anti-gun his entire life. This sort of talk should surprise no one. He paid lip-service to the NRA during the campaign because it was politically useful to do so. He will stab the NRA in the back if that also proves politically useful.
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Not according to the people that actually watch these things:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/h...ready-done-faster-than-reagan/article/2650141
DeadFlies
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If you read it, it merely claims that’s he’s fulfilling the Heritage Foundation’s priorities, not his campaign promises.
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It's not that he will hurt us, it is not that any of his ludicrous statements will ever become law, it is the fact that the president of the USA acts like a moron on TV. I voted for him, but watching him on TV makes me wonder why.
I understand he loves grandstanding in his round table gatherings but really, does he think about what he is saying?
He would be a lot better president, in my opinion, if he stopped grandstanding on TV and loving to hear himself speak. Just govern, Donald.
Well, if the gun community wouldn't have backed Trump, Hillary Clinton would be POTUS right now, and she would only be 1 supreme court justice away from turning this country into Canada......REAL TALK
You choose the best candidate that can actually win, not the one you like the best. I've predicted for years that it will eventually be the Elmer Fudd all or nothing types that will in fact get the 2nd repealed, and they'll do it by staying home on election night or voting for a candidate that can't win.
If Trump is able to put another conservative justice into play before he leaves office, it will buy us another 20 years. He might need a second term to do that. Enough with this silly talk of not voting for him in 2020.
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Germans and Italians weren't interned without reference to citizenship status or conduct.
Japanese-Americans were sent to racial concentration camps completely without regard to their citizenship or activities.
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