Trumps first move pro gun: appoint Giuliani

[Ohio Gun Guy]

While not everyone in Trumps Sphere of Influence will be Charlton Heston, I'm enjoying not having this pit in my stomach when the talk of Cabinet / AG's, etc. is happening. I want as good as we can get....BUT ANY OF Trumps Appointees on their worst day will be better for us / 2A than the best of "them" on their best day!

And as said above ^ We didn't elect a King.

 

[22-rimfire]

I think Giuliani is definitely wanting to be US Attorney General. But I think the reason for consideration is one of loyalty to the Trump cause, his frisk policy in NYC when he was Mayor, and crime control efforts in general. The authorities must get a handle on the gang situation that continues to worsen in the largest US cities. I suspect we won't like everything Trump comes up with on the guns front. For example I fully expect universal background checks for gun purchases to be implemented with a majority of Congress support. I don't see anything happening with AR's regardless of what Rudy might like to happen.

I for one was jumping with joy that HRC did not win the election. Hopefully we're done with the "C's" and their unproveable influence peddling.

 

[Elkins45]

Trump may not remember past yesterday, but the institutional memory of Congress remembers 1994. That, if nothing else is encouraging.

And I still can't believe this thread hasn't been locked.

 

[basicblur]

Trump may not remember past yesterday, but the institutional memory of Congress remembers 1994. That, if nothing else is encouraging.

I think Bill Clinton learned his lesson from 1994, and there are numerous reports of him trying to get that point across to his fellow party members.

I think Obama heeded his warnings - folks like HRC, Al Gore, etc. still ignore or deny it.

Bill and Obama are both a bit more pragmatic than the true ideologues that still infest the rest of the party.

 

[barnbwt]

Okay, I'm tentatively moderating my skepticism for the moment. Apparently Mr. T is ditching Christie for Pence to run his transition group (i.e. mass hiring effort). That's what we call legitimately good news, though time will still tell. Pence is pro-gun, but not hawkishly so like some options. But it looks less likely a New Jersian will be running the ATF or Homeland or Defense or DOJ or anything else where he could hurt us. An entire cabinet of North Eastern "ex" antigun types makes me worry.

TCB

PS - probably the most input a VP's had in decades besides Cheney

 

[Rock185]

No matter who serves in what position, it will not be as bad as if the other candidate had been elected. If that had happened, there would have been no need to speculate as to what type of persons would be serving in high positions and what agenda they would enthusiastically pursue in regards to firearms. And no, firearms owners will not get everything their heart desires. No matter what,we should all be thankful that HRC and her fellow travelers will not be nominating Supreme Court Justices. The decisions those justices would have made would likely have have affirmed that the "right of the people" etc. does not apply to individuals, but rather means that states may have a National Guard. Step back, take a breath, count your blessings.....

 

[zb338]

I have always thought that Mrs. Rice would be a good anything, but the word is that
she does not like Trump.

Zeke

 

[barnbwt]

No matter who serves in what position, it will not be as bad as if the other candidate had been elected.

Why is it so crazy that we should endeavor to get something out of an election as opposed to simply deny it to the other guy? Would Democrats have been satisfied merely keeping Trump out of the Whitehouse? Sounds ridiculous when you put it that way, but it is largely how the gun rights folks have operated at the national level.

Now, we have all (nearly) the ingredients and resources assembled to start settling this fight, and on our terms. First time in a hundred years that we could possibly have federal leaders that matter in our corner. I say we should be as noisy as possible in vying for attention.

TCB

 

[22-rimfire]

I have always thought that Mrs. Rice would be a good anything, but the word is that
she does not like Trump.

Zeke

Who is Mrs. Rice? Obama,s Rice?

 

[entropy]

A lot of ignorance is on display here, which is the single biggest threat to our republic. If you are fearful of Rudi, Condi should have you wetting your pants. I have yet to see any evidence that Ms Rice has a better understanding of the Constitution than does Mr Trump, which is somewhere around zero.... Keep your head down, your phone calls up, and your powder dry.

Ms. Condolezza Rice has repeatedly voiced her pro 2A opinion. She grew up in the South at a time when men in white sheets liked to firebomb black churches. Her father was a pastor at one of them, and him and other parishoners armed and ready kept her church from burning down. She has brought this up in several speeches; I don't doubt her stance on the 2nd

 

[basicblur]

The decisions those justices would have made would likely have have affirmed that the "right of the people" etc. does not apply to individuals, but rather means that states may have a National Guard. Step back, take a breath, count your blessings.....

Be careful with that one...I heard Tom Gresham say he sat in on a court hearing where the government lawyer argued that the 2nd Amendment did not apply to individuals. The judges had heard this before, and thought the government lawyer was going to argue you can only own a gun if you are in the Militia, National Guard, etc.

He said the lawyer stated that was not the government's stance - he argued you could only "own" a gun while you were on National Guard duty - once your duty was over, the gun has to be turned back in to the National Guard.

Tom said the argument caught the judges by surprise - he said when the government argued you could not own a gun even if you were in the National Guard, he said a few of them peered over their glasses as if they thought they did not hear correctly.

 

[Dog Soldier]

Geo. Washington was an officer in the British army before he led the Patriot insurgence. He was able to change and build a Nation. Ignore the whining Liberals And give the man a chance.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-...-washington-experiences-combat-for-first-time

 

[22-rimfire]

I don't doubt that Condolessa Rice has a better understanding of the second amendment as compared to a New York City Trump. She is a bit of an intellectual and I like that about her.

 

[wahsben]

Would Trey Gowdy be a good choice for AG?

I believe he would probably be the best choice from what I've seen.

 

[wahsben]

Though he didn't back Trump so he won't get the chance, I'd like to see Colin Powell back in a national office.

I'm pretty sure I heard Powell was voting for hillary. http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/25/politics/colin-powell-hillary-clinton-endorsement/index.html

 

[climbnjump]

Don't know if it has been posted yet, so in case it hasn't, here is Trump's position paper on the 2A:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/constitution-and-second-amendment/

There is a lot of good stuff there if he follows through with it.

 

[MachIVshooter]

I think Bill Clinton learned his lesson from 1994, and there are numerous reports of him trying to get that point across to his fellow party members.

I think Obama heeded his warnings - folks like HRC, Al Gore, etc. still ignore or deny it.

Bill and Obama are both a bit more pragmatic than the true ideologues that still infest the rest of the party.

They didn't learn a thing. If they had, they'd leave guns alone. But they still espouse gun control. 2A issues have cost Democrats more elections in the past 20 years than we can easily count.

If you think Obama didn't go after gun rights, you've been living under a rock. He wasn't successful legislatively, but did a tremendous amount of damage with directives to agencies with executive power. Importation bans, ATF determinations, DDTC redefining manufacturing, the list goes on.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

I think if Trey Gowdy became AG he would most definitely go after Hillary and most likely convict her. Why? Because by doing so he would convince the public that he had a legitimate case against her when he had his committees and that he wasn't just going after her during a partisan attack.

No. This won't happen, and don't kid yourself.

Why?

Because it's exceeding likely Obama will sign a broad pardon for her before leaving office. Even if she is tried and convicted of anything she was pardoned for, she wouldn't suffer any legal punishment for it because of the pardon.

That pardon, itself, will pretty much put the last nail in her political coffin.

 

[guyfromohio]

The one reason I think Trump will go pro 2A is that both his sons are hunters and are pro 2A. Family can be great persuaders.

That, and the fact that The NRA was very helpful getting him to where he is now. A betrayal there would seal is one-term fate.

 

[vaupet]

Thank you for all your reactions, learned a lot here.
I do like to share my views somewhat:

- about his sons, glad to hear this, family are of course the strongest persuaders, I do the same with my little sister, who has nothing with guns but she defends 'our' cause in the EU because 'I have her ears'

- nice to hear about mr Boch

- i didn't mean to insult or hurt anyone with the 9-11 comparison, what I meant is that POTUS potentially can have a lot more blood on his hands worldwide then the 2977 victims of 9-11, but I feel for every victim of those dreadfull attacs, I visited NYC last year Christmas week and ground zero of course. I was almost as impressed with it as during my Auschwitz visit the month before.

- It is not because I don't live in the US of A and I don't get to vote that my life is not influenced by the decisions of the POTUS. Fuel prices, global warming, war in the Middle East (which brings refugees and terrorists to my country), a potential conflict with Russia that will be fought on the ancient battlegrounds of Germany, France and Belgium, interest rates going up and so on: USA is the world leading (today: only) superpower but with power comes responsibility!!

- President will appoint SCOTUS but I suppose they will be chosen from a shortlist provided by the AG or the justice department, ie mr Giuliani.

- The main argument of antis in Europe for more gun control is that '"we" don't want American situations over here, so yes, 2a mathers to me to.

And now I'm going to watch little sis on national tv in a debate about future relations between EU and US after the election (TTIP, protectionism, defence, middle east, )

Thank you for your time and patience.

 

[Robert]

We are moving further and further off topic so this looks to be a good stopping point.