Tumbling Primed Cases

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As previously posted, I recently bought 250 primed brass cases from an internet vendor. I received 307 cases. :thumbup:

The cases were not in as good a condition as I would have hoped. They were also not uniformly sized. In order to finish processing them and making them ready to go into one of guns, I needed to resized. And that meant they needed to be lubricated. So, I lubed them up with Honady Unique, resized them and then proceeded to start wiping the lube off with a cheesecloth. This quickly brought back memories of the hand spasms that accompanied rubbing the RCBS lubricant off cases I had loaded back in the 1980's.

I elected to tumble the lube off the remaining cases.

I knew that I was risking getting tumbling media into the flash hole.

I was not worried that the media in the flash hole would "block" the ignition pulse of the primer - after all lead styphnate's explosive wavefront moves at about 16,000 fps; and I doubt any speck of walnut media is going to stand in the way of that for long. What I was worried about was media getting through the flashhole and lodging in the primer itself and "cushioning" the impact of the firing pin impact on the primer resulting in a misfire.

And, true to my concerns, of 200 rounds of brass that I tumbled, examination of the case with an otoscope (if you don't have one, it will be the best under-$20 purchase you ever spent on Amazon) revealed media in the primer on 61 of the 200 rounds (30.5%). I reasoned that if a kinetic bullet puller could remove a bullet, it could probably remove walnut media. And I was right. A single quick rap with a kinetic bullet puller was sufficient to dislodge the walnut media. A second strike was made just to be sure. Since I had 57 more primed cartridges than I had ordered, I took the liberty of testing a sample of them and they all went "bang".

So, this provides empirical confirmation that if you tumble primed brass in dry meda, some may get into the flashhole and/or primer. Whether this would interfere with the primer igniting the powder remains an open question. But, removal of the media can be effectively accomplished with a kinetic bullet puller.

If anyone else has had this question lingering in the back of their mind, I hope this helps. Also, if you have tumbled primed brass and had it cause a problem, I would like to hear about it - and the circumstances leading up to the misfire.

Thanks.
 
Your methodology obviously worked. It does seem like a lot of work to save a few hundred primers though.

I would have sized the cases, punched the primers, and reprimed.
 
Your methodology obviously worked. It does seem like a lot of work to save a few hundred primers though.

I would have sized the cases, punched the primers, and reprimed.

I would have done the same that’s a ton of work for $7 worth of primers! I never buy cases primed.
 
What I was worried about was media getting through the flashhole and lodging in the primer itself and "cushioning" the impact of the firing pin impact on the primer resulting in a misfire.
I doubt it would be an issue. I don't see how it could get between the anvil and cup in the center where they are pushed together when seated.

And I have done it without issue once with a small batch of cases. Never say never, but I like your odds a lot.
 
As Walklong says ... No way for media to get between the anvil and primer mix ... the anvil faces out toward the primer cup .... It may get in the empty space between the three legs of the anvil.

If you'd like to see the force of a primer place a sheet of toilet tissue on the end of an upright rifle with a primed case ...pull the trigger and watch what happens...
 
I would have lubed them as I normally do. Lanolin sprayed in a zip lock bag, dump in the cases and roll them around. The only change would be to allow the alcohol to evaporate BEFORE adding the cases. Then remove the decapping pin from the sizing die and load as usual. Lastly, tumble them for about 5 minutes to remove the lanolin.
 
Like SCC, only I use Pam cooking spray...it works and I tumble it off...I might would have sat them mouth down and sprayed the pam...or better yet run them alternating with deprimed lubed brass and just trusted the residual Pam on the die to serve it's purpose.
 
I probably would not have invested that much work into salvaging those primers but it sounds like your method worked for you. It would have been interesting to see if they would have fired with the media in the flash hole. And I have worked harder and longer for less!
 
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I would have sized the cases, punched the primers, and reprimed.

I got a deal on the primed cases that was less than I could have bought (locally) the brass and primers separately, so it seemed like a reasonable gamble.

They were advertised as being pulled down "unfired cases", so I thought I was getting some previously loaded but not fired brass. Upon inspecting them, about 1/3 were new brass and the remainder were previously fired cases that appeared to have been processed and reloaded before being pulled down. Whoever had processed the brass had not been too fastidious about removing the primer pocket crimp and I didn't want to punch out several hundred primers many of which were going to be distorted by being jammed into partially de-crimped primer pockets and I certainly didn't want to throw good money after bad by having to re-remove the primer pocket crimp to insert newly purchased primers.

And finally, there was the concern - repeated on this and many other handloading forums - that tumbling primed cases in dry media would "deactivate" the primer when media got stuck in the primer or flashhole. This did not seem likely, but until I performed this experiment, I had nothing to go on in saying that fear was overblown.

Now I know. And please, don''t complete the sentence with the GIJoe retort about "Knowing is half the battle".
 
Walkalong wrote:
I don't see how it could get between the anvil and cup in the center...

My concern was not that the media might interpose itself between the anvil and the lead styphnate "pill" in the cup, but rather that the media, lodged between the "arms" of the anvil and the bottom of the cup could "cushion" the impact of the firing pin making the shock soft enough to not ignite the primer.

Such "cushioning" has been "accidentally" demonstrated in situations where water that gets into the primer will not allow the primer to fire, but once the water has evaporated, the primer functions as it is supposed to do.
 
SCC wrote:
I would have lubed them as I normally do.

When it came time to size these cases (and my trusty micrometer told me there were many that needed it), I lubed them up as I normally do, with Hornady Unique, which was then removed by the media when they were tumbled after sizing.

I didn't have to remove my decapping pin since I always decap "new to me" brass before it enters my reloading stream.
 
I doubt it would be an issue. I don't see how it could get between the anvil and cup in the center where they are pushed together when seated.
As Walklong says ... No way for media to get between the anvil and primer mix ... the anvil faces out toward the primer cup .... It may get in the empty space between the three legs of the anvil.
Yup. There's no way for the media to get in between the top of the anvil and the priming compound. Once primer is seated, the anvil tip gets pressed even further against the priming compound.

However, media can get inside the flash hole but you can inspect the inside of the case for that.

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If you'd like to see the force of a primer place a sheet of toilet tissue on the end of an upright rifle with a primed case ...pull the trigger and watch what happens...
Primer detonation packs quite a bit of punch.

I cooked off a primer inside two stainless steel bowls and primer cup dented the stainless steel bowl!. (Please, don't try this at home!)

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I probably would have put them in a empty vibrating tumbler, whirled them around in the media separator hamster cage or tapped them on the table top.

But that would not be as much fun as a otoscope and a kinetic bullet puller and gathering empirical evidence.
 
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