Turkish MKE 30-06 Ammo

I pulled some of those 8mm 1943 rounds. Easy to pull since the necks were split and I’m pretty sure they just filled cases to the neck and seated a bullet on it. They are a bit compressed and powder sticks inside.

At least the MKE ones have annealed case necks. Postwar rounds at least had NATO standards as a reference. Neutral Turkey in WW2 was in a bad place and needed ammo without taking sides and had an industrial base that was at best 80% capable at the time.
 
As a compromise I doubt the highly suspicious 8mm and this 30-06 was stored in the best conditions. I think everyone got spoiled by Russian surplus that was sealed in airtight containers and kept in death bunkers with some minimal hvac.
 
Well seems like it might be $40 wasted. Went to the range and decided to try 1 round and it got stuck and would not come out. No rod to knock it. So what to do since I don't reload

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Could have been worse.

Go to the link and see the pictures of the busted M1 Garand.

Turkish MKaboomE 30-06

https://www.reddit.com/r/M1Rifles/comments/qa52iz/turkish_mkaboome_3006/

1964 MKE


I was near 100rds in on my MKE ammo.


Slow fire, 16rds of PPU, 15rds of MKE and BLAM


I had the same thing happen with some 1963 Turk, fired 1 box at the range with good results, next week had the 13th round from the second box, split the head. The split was located by the extractor so all the gas came out the top of the rifle and didn't break the stock, damage was limited to some gas cutting on the bolt face, headspaced fine and fired some usgiM2 and some reloads fine on the next outing.
 
Well seems like it might be $40 wasted. Went to the range and decided to try 1 round and it got stuck and would not come out. No rod to knock it. So what to do since I don't reload

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That bottom pic shows a pitted/corroded chamber. That's why the extractor pulled through the rim.

Regardless... don't shoot the 63-65 dated stuff in it's original brass.
 
Finally joined in order to share my experience with the Turkish MKE 30-06 ammunition - and to ask for advice.
I bought 400 rounds of the MKE last year and was happily shooting it before reading about concerns. My purchase included 19 boxes of 20 rounds from 1964 and 1 box from 1978. Upon receipt, I inspected every cartridge - clean, showed no corrosion, and cases, not bullets, were coated in sort of frosty copper colored lacquer.
My son and I have fired 340 rounds of the MKE in our two Garands without an incident of any kind. I am not aware of any signs of overpressure.

After reading a string of cautious comments about this ammunition, I pulled the bullets from the remaining 60 cartridges. The powder is extruded, first I have seen, but it looks like new to me. I looked inside all the cases with a small flashlight and saw only a smooth case wall. Even though I could see no flaws, I did the paper clip check, too.
I weighed the powder from the first 10 cartridges: Lowest was one at 48.0 grains; highest was two at 49.5; next, two at 49.4. The average weight of the 10 charges was 49.12 grains. Several bullets weigh 150.0 to 151.1 grains.

I understand that some shooters would not trust this ammunition, but my experience has been good. It just seems unlikely that a case is going to fail when there is no indication of incipient failure. I’ve read everything I can find about this matter and thought the concern was just about the brass, but most recently I read some strong feelings about the old powder. The brass looks fine to me, and I can replace the powder.

And now I would like to ask for advice. I wouldn’t mind reloading these rounds for a bit less kick, so can I reduce the charge to, say, 45 grains of the original powder and stay within the safe operating parameters of gas pressure, etc., for the rifle?

After tumbling the cases in walnut shell, which removes the lacquer coating, I use an RCBS small base sizer die, uniform the primer pockets, trim to length, chamfer the case mouth, and finally wash the brass in case cleaner. The brass looks to be of good quality with no corrosion.
I have been reloading the MKE brass with CCI Nr 34 primers, Hornady 150 gr FMJ-BT’s, and 45 grains of Win 748. I fired 48 of my reloads and they were fine, and I have reloaded those cases a second time.

Another thought is to use the primed cases as is and replace the old powder and bullets with H4895 and Hornady 150 grain FMJ-BT’s. If I did, would 45 - 46 grains be good?

I’ve been reading The High Road for some years now since I began reloading 223 for a Ruger 77 VT. I marvel at the degree of knowledge displayed. Sorry my first post is so long but I want to give a complete account of my experience. I do want to be safe. Comments are welcome. BillAFRet.
 
The cases aren't lacquer coated..thats just tarnish.
The powder isn't the issue it's the brass. 63-65 years have a history of failing. If yours haven't thats good.

You can download a little if you want but I don't find the recoil unpleasant at all.
 
Well, here's what I did with the MKE 30-06. Talked with my b.i.l. and he sent me the Hornady M1 Garand data for 150-155 and 168 grain bullets. In the unfired cases, which I inspected thoroughly, I loaded 16 with 43.2 grains of H4895 and another 16 with 44.8 grains, and all with Hornady 150 gr BT-FMJ's (#3037). I shot all 32 rounds today and both loads were comfortable compared to the original Turkish rounds. I decided to go with the lighter load and have now loaded the remaining cases with 43.2 grains. No point in trying the max 46.4 grains. I'll scatter the 1964 era powder and offer the bullets to anyone in the club who wants them. I'll continue to re-use the cases if I trust them after careful inspection during re-sizing. I think I'll be able to load them several times, but I'm not going to try for a record.

I shoot only on my club range at 100 yards. When I use up the jar of H4895, I'll go back to W748 with the same Hornady 150 bullets. I have shot some of my reloads with 47 grains of 748, which seems a popular charge, and they are fine. I'm not having any luck in finding out what lower charge of 748 is safe for a Garand in terms of gas pressure, etc. I don't want to just wing it. A little less kick would be appreciated by my shoulder and easier on my rifle. Stretching the powder even a little would be okay, too. If anyone can tell me that figure, I'd appreciate it.
 
Well....that seems like an odd thing to do to waste powder and bullets..

There isn't any issue with using W748. The biggest issue is the Hornady data is junk and some of the most anemic data there is.
 
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