Turn in all rifles'and pic one round'
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Andrew Wyatt
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16"/50 Mk7
splattergun
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30-06
100 gr light loads for small game 200 gr loads for the big northern critters. 100 grains spread in between for everything in between, including closeup work to long distance.
100 gr light loads for small game 200 gr loads for the big northern critters. 100 grains spread in between for everything in between, including closeup work to long distance.
jpwilly
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Hey someone removed my super sized
"thirty-aught-six"
But there are a few other good suggestions here i.e. 308, 7mm-08, etc but since the 30-06 is the parent case to both why don't we all just settle on old grand daddy 06 and you can reform the brass however you like after that.
"thirty-aught-six"
But there are a few other good suggestions here i.e. 308, 7mm-08, etc but since the 30-06 is the parent case to both why don't we all just settle on old grand daddy 06 and you can reform the brass however you like after that.
Abel
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30-30 for me!
txcookie
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30.06
Kachok
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The parent case of the 308 is the 300 Savage, not the 30-06.
doc2rn
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The one that does it all for me is 30-30! Yes I have a 30-06 too, but it would not be my favorite if I could only have one.
MachIVshooter
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8mm Rem Mag.
Yes, it's one of my pets. But it's also very flexible, from creampuff 150 gr. loads to sledgehammer 220 & 250 gr. recipies. Flatter shooting than a .270, harder hitting at any range than a .338 win mag.
Yes, it's one of my pets. But it's also very flexible, from creampuff 150 gr. loads to sledgehammer 220 & 250 gr. recipies. Flatter shooting than a .270, harder hitting at any range than a .338 win mag.
WOW i learned something 30 cal. all the way if this was a vote. Overkill nation. I would have to get on board!
OK the twist rate thing threw some-make it round and single bullet weight. I'll go (and i dont have one)6.5 06=140grain. With modern bullet construction put in the rite spot it's going down without unneeded!!destruction!!remember agree on one (little south deer ect.)
OK the twist rate thing threw some-make it round and single bullet weight. I'll go (and i dont have one)6.5 06=140grain. With modern bullet construction put in the rite spot it's going down without unneeded!!destruction!!remember agree on one (little south deer ect.)
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Kachok
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I really hate to have to disagree with you on this one, while muzzle energy is darn near identical the 8mm bore suffers from the same lackluster BC that plague the 35 cals. While I can load the 338 cals with a 300gr Accubond with over .700BC!! Of course the 8mm is still just as good at avarage hunting ranges, but out past 300 the 338 outshines it.
FIVETWOSEVEN
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7.62 x 54r, what can't it do?
Kachok
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Um how about shoot streight LOL. No the 7.62x54R is nowhere near as versitle as the good ol 06. There is a vastly better selection of .308 cal bullets then .311 cal. and the 06 does more with a rimless case which is better in ever way IMHO. No 7.62x54R can handle 240gr bullets like the 06 can. The old Russian can run neck and neck with the 308 but as all handladers know the 308 can only play with much more limited bullet weights. If we were talking about a bullet for deer, or a bullet for hog sure the 7.62x54 would be about as good a choice as any I guess, but when it comes to one caliber for everything the 30-06 and 6.5x55 are in a whole different class then most.
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Come on man, you're going to condemn everybody in this future one-rifle nation to owning only a Mosin?
I think I had a nightmare along those lines:
Beelzebub met me at the fiery gates and told me I could have any rifle I wanted.... as long as it was a Mosin.
FIVETWOSEVEN
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Don't ruin my fun!
There are semi autos in that round, the PSL comes to mind but I was just kidding.
I sold my Mosin to my brother but I still have my 30-06.
MachIVshooter
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A .338 WM with a 300 gr. bullet is looking at 2,400 FPS
I'm pushing 220 gr. Sierras at 3,000 using under max data in a 24" 700 BDL
I punched in my hunting conditions and compared the two. 200 yard zero.
8mm Rem Mag, 220 gr. Gameking (.521 BC)
500 yards: 34.3" low, 2,660 ft/lbs
1000 yards: 231.2" low, 1,509 ft/lbs
.338 Win Mag, 300 gr. Accubond (.720 BC)
500 yards: 52" low, 2,585 ft/lbs
1,000 yards: 330.3" low, 1,680 ft/lbs.
So, at 500, the 8 Mag. has a foot and a half flatter trajectory and slightly more energy. At 1,000, the .338 has eclipsed the 8 mag's energy by 170 ft/lbs, but has dropped 100 inches further.
Their energies converge at 625 yards, where the 8 mag has 35" less drop than the .338 with these two loads.
Using lighter bullets (.338 WM doesn't do well with over 250 gr.), the .338 will have a better trajectory, but still not shoot as flat or hit as hard as the 8 mag. It's academic, yes, but that's what these threads are really about! With anything other than high B.C. 300 grainers, the .338 WM lags behind in energy from muzzle to whatever range the bullet stops at. It always lags in trajectory.
The .338 WM is a great round, and certainly more available as a factory load and in terms of bullet selection. Regardless, the 8 mag has a ballistic edge on account of simply being a bigger cartridge.
Kachok
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Well to be fair 2400fps was the wimpy factory load, any respectable handloader should be able to get 2500-2600fps with max loads, but even then you are right, the mid range trajectory is better on the lighter bullet/smaller caliber, but retained energy and drift over loager distances belongs to the 338s. For the life of me I don't know why the bullet makers the world over seem to ignore the BC of 35 cal and 8mm bullets, they are almost always lower then other medium calibers of the same SD, kind of a shame really, the 35 Whelen would really shine with some good long range bullets.
with my bullet than a grizzly doing it to me.
MachIVshooter
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That's about what it boils down to.
And as you said before, at practical hunting ranges (500-600 yards max), the differences really don't matter. A big bull elk won't know if a 225 gr. .323 bullet smacked him with 2,600 ft/lbs or a 250 gr. .338" pill with 2,500 is what tore him up.
I just like having a little better MPBR. Yeah, a .300 or .338 RUM would have made more sense for that, too, but I like to be different
They've just never been popular here, for reasons I don't understand. For a nation that seems to like round numbers, we've sure ignored some good ones and adopted some oddballs.
That said, between Sierra and Nosler, we have some pretty decent options. I use 180 ballistic tips, 200 Accubonds and 220 Gamekings in the big 8, and I like 225 gr. Accubonds with a B.C. of .420 in my .350 Mag. They seat a bit deep, though (past the start of the ogive).
The high B.C. stuff seems to live in the 6.5mm, 7mm, .308 and .338 calibers, none of which I use for hunting. My go-to guns are .257", .323", .358" and .375", which all have top B.C.'s in the mid .4 to low .5 range.
Kachok
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I like 6.5s-30s anything over that is no fun at all to shoot, mabey if I had a heavy rifle in 8mm Rem Mag or 338 mabey it would be different, I am a small guy and I tend to like lighter/more compact rifles. Anything above a 30-06/270WSM recoil becomes very unfun after a few rounds with a 6lbs gun. I saw a lightweight tikka T3 338 win mag the other day, my shoulder hurt just looking at it LOL.
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