Two Questions, Two Rifles

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I have two questions, both involving rifles. Recently a friend of mine expressed interest in buying a firearm. The interest, from what I could tell, stemmed from that seemingly natural call to just own at least one firearm in your lifetime, but at the same time I know his father is a military man so he also has knowledge of shooting. I figured I'd help him find a decent .22 rifle so that he could have something inexpensive to plink with and, then, if he wanted to maybe aim for something better in years to come.

We hit a local used gun shop and I immediately felt like leaving. The prices for used, old weapons wasn't even a bargain at all but, rather, a complete steal. For them. For a Romanian "Training Rifle" it was $130. For a Russian version of the same thing that featured only a few differences it was $175. I told him we ought to bugger off and that I'd look into other rifles.

My first instinct afterward is based on the rifle I own. A Marlin Model 60. It seems that now they're priced around $180-200 or so (I think,) and I know it's a good gun. The question I have is whether the price is right and if there's something else that may be a little less but just as reliable? It can be bolt-action, but preferably not single-shot.

My second question is about getting a new rifle of my own, something high-powered. The problem is that, just browsing a Gun Digest, I cringe at the prices. I didn't expect anything to be cheap, but it seems like they're missing out on pointing out some older models that are just as good, or that those MSRPs are lowered even more than I can find.

So simply, here's what I need to know: What's a good high-powered rifle that I can get that's on the lower-end of the price spectrum for such rifles, and why? Where can I buy it, and for about how much? I'd like to get an idea of what I'm buying, what caliber I should look to get, and what I can expect. I skimmed a question post about the Remington 770, and it either got flack due to its predecessor, praised for its improvements over its predecessor, or called fug-ugly. The truth is as long as it fires well and won't go to crap on me fast the rifle can be ugly as a pig licking p*ss off a nettle. So thoughts on these questions?
 
Sounds to me like you want a Mosin Nagant. Beeg rifles for keeling capitalist peegs, comrade! :D You can get the rifle for around $100 and 300 rounds of ammo for around $50.

Browse www.7.62x54R.net . There is a lot of info there. Just remember that the long '91/30 and the shorter M44 are the two most common models. The M38 is the same as the M44, but without the M44's folding bayonet. The M38 is slightly less common.
 
I would suggest you select a few models from Gun Digest that you like and then go to www.Gunbroker.com and look at their prices there. The prices in Gun Digest are full msrp and you will never have to pay that much for anything if you do even a little shopping.
Would also suggest you leave the cheap military rifles as a "last resort". Granted - they're cheap. "Cheap" is exactly what it is, though. It's your money.

Good luck !
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Last time I looked, you could buy a brand new Ruger 10/22 at Cabala's for just a tad over two bills, with a scope & gun case.

rcmodel
 
In inexpensive .22s that are still good quality, I agree with your initial idea that just about any Marlin .22, semi-auto or bolt, or a Ruger 10/22 is a great first rifle that will last a long time. Savage (or Stevens) also make good .22s though I have no personal experience with their newer ones.

If you are looking for a first centerfire rifle that won't break the bank, you can find nice, nearly new Yugo SKS rifles for $200-250 or a Hi Point 9mm carbine, including a stock cuff with two extra clips, for around the same price.

There are a number of nice surplus bolt guns for under $200, some even under $100 and if you pay a little extra for hand select from a reputable dealer you should have a nice gun - Mosin Nagants of all flavors, Yugo Mauser 24/47, etc.

If you must have a purely civilian gun, the Savage-Stevens 200 seems to be about the best deal going in new guns at around $300 -- the stock is a little flimsy but the action is strong and smooth.

I am also a big fan of the H&R Handi Rifles and their various cousins - inexpensive, light, accurate and they will last a lifetime. In your choice of dozens of calibers, most will run between $200-300 dollars.

At today's prices, these seem like good deals to me compared to the prices of other things. Consider how much you pay for a McDonald's hamburger, or a gallon of gasoline, or a box of ammo today vs. 20 years ago and I think these are still pretty good deals.
 
Hahahaha!!!
Oh, man, it's like a gun store for a secret sect of religious fanatics!
"So, Mr. Manson, where do you shop for your hunting supplies?"
"Why, Cabala's, of course!"
Funniest typo I've seen in weeks, thanks, RC. :D
 
I know enough about 22 's so that, I rarely if ever, buy them new, I go to a pawn shop and haggle, or a gunstore that has a gunsmith, and buy from them, and haggle with them as well. I see no reason to spend over 100 bucks for a mod 60.
As a matter of fact, I just picked up a mod 989d, the 99's were the forerunners of the mod 60. Except they were real nice; fully walnut stock, white line spacers, slings/swivels made in Italy, fully two screw tapped, fully ramped front sites with post and bead front site, on and on. In other words, only the best materials you could think of, but in a mod 60. It cost me 90 bucks, total, from a pawn shop.
 
For a Romanian "Training Rifle" it was $130. For a Russian version of the same thing that featured only a few differences it was $175. I told him we ought to bugger off and that I'd look into other rifles.

Wait what? I just acquired my C&R and been chasing a few deals down on .2LR trainers - if you're referring a Polish Wz48 or the Romanian equivalent in .22LR, those aren't actually bad prices and the accuracy is quite nice, not to mention they're usually heavy barreled and weigh quite a bit but they're meant to be close to the "real" thing.
 
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