U.S. Mint seizes priceless coins

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U.S. Mint seizes priceless coins

PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- The U.S. Mint seized 10 Double Eagle gold coins from 1933, among the rarest and most valuable coins in the world, that were turned in by a jeweler seeking to determine their authenticity.

Joan S. Langbord plans a federal court lawsuit to try to recover them, her attorney, Barry H. Berke, said Wednesday. Langbord found the coins among the possessions of her father, longtime Philadelphia jeweler Israel Switt, who had acknowledged having sold some of the coins decades ago. She now operates her father's business.

David Lebryk, acting director of the Mint, had announced in a news release that the rare coins, which were never put in circulation, had been taken from the Mint "in an unlawful manner" in the mid-1930's and now were "recovered."

The coins, which are so rare that their value is almost beyond calculation, are public property, he said.

But Berke said Mint officials couldn't prove the coins had been stolen, or were subject to forfeiture.

In 2002, Sotheby's and numismatic firm Stack's auctioned off a 1933 Double Eagle coin for $7.59 million, the highest price ever paid for a coin. That Double Eagle, which is believed to have been part of a collection belonging to King Farouk of Egypt, surfaced when a coin dealer tried selling it to undercover Secret Service agents.

After a legal battle, the dealer was permitted to sell the coin at auction on the condition he split the proceeds with the Mint.

In its statement, the Mint said officials were still deciding what they would do with the seized coins, which are being held at a military fort. They said they had no plans to auction them but would consider saving "these historical artifacts" for public exhibits. Other double eagle coins seized in the past were melted down.

Double Eagles were first minted in 1850 with a face value of $20. The 445,500 coins minted in 1933 were never put into circulation because the U.S. went off the gold standard. All the coins were ordered melted down, but a handful are believed to have survived, including two handed over to the Smithsonian Institution.

Langbord declined to discuss how the coins might have come into the possession of her father, who operated an antiques and jewelry shop for 70 years and died in 1990 at 95.

The Mint contends Switt obtained a cache of the gold coins from his connections at the Mint just before they were to be reduced to bullion in 1937.

Switt admitted in 1944 that he had sold nine Double Eagle coins, but he was not charged in connection with those transactions, according to the Mint.

The family attorney said the coins were found recently, and Langbord and her son, Roy, notified the Mint of the discovery in September. Mint officials asked to authenticate the coins, then confiscated them after doing so, Berke said.

He contended Langbord and her son never relinquished their right to the coins.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/25/rare.coins.ap/index.html
 
***, does this mean the Fedgov can go and start confiscating registered WW2 bringback M1A1 Thompson SMGs and BARs from their owners because they once said 'Property of US Government' on them? Technically the veterans never really owned their war souvenirs either.

I'd be seriously upset if some government goon took a $50,000 BAR that had been in my family for 60 years without compensation.
 
Posted this at APS. Like I said there, never voluntarily give custody of something of the value to the government.
 
Mint officials asked to authenticate the coins, then confiscated them after doing so, Berke said.
Guess that pretty much makes them authentic! What would it hurt to let her keep the coins? I hope she didn't send the mint ALL of them.
 
If the coins were never put into circulation and were somehow illegally obtained from the mint, as the government contends, then they sre stolen property.
Stolen from the taxpayers and should be returned to the rightful owners.

Auction them off and possibly give her a finders fee.
But why should she profit about 100 million dollars from her fathers illegal actions?
 
Theft is justified when government is the thief
Retrieving stolen property is theft?
Holy Eminent Domain Batman! The gubbermint owns EVERYTHING.
Government gold pressed into government coins and that order rescinded, ordered melted back into the government owned bullion it came from is government owned, nothing to do with eminent domain.

If I steal property from you and I try to profit from that theft 70 years later and you find out about it, is it just tough luck for you or do you think you should be able to recover that stolen property
 
I know that this is not in the spirit of the thread...but...

I am getting back into coin collecting myself (did it as a kid) and within my first week of research on getting back into the hobby, I could tell you that every 1933 double eagle that ever popped up was confiscated. Not the smartest move on her part.

I don't really agree with what happened, but still not the smartest move on her part.
 
OK,,, so how about a statute of limitations? A double eagle is a 20$ gold piece, right? So when it was stolen it was ten, twenty dollar gold pieces? In the nineteen thirties? So, now we have the feds wanting to confiscate them? Was two hundred bucks even a felony in the thirties?

There is no proof of wrong doing. There are coins in existence that the government ordered destroyed. Some one did not destroy them,,,,,, MAYBE,,,, IF ,,, it can be proved that the deceased owner stole them, there is a problem..... SORRY,,, that proof is seventy five years overdue... The mint should verify or deny their validity, and back off. The present owners are innocent of wrong doing, and their dad/grandfather, whatever,,, took his guilt, if any, to his grave with him.
 
Maybe it has more to do with the coins never being put into circulation than the fact that they were stolen???

The 1933 double eagle is certainly the most famous illegal coin, but there are others.

-Robert
 
ksnecktieman- No statue of limitations on stolen Federal property, according to that NPS press release from cracked butt.
 
I suspect that the current owner prior to confiscation (daughter) knew they were not legal. I am guessing that she probably has no need for the money. I suspect the government will win since they were clearly stolen.

Can you imagine digging around in your father or grandfather's old stuff that is still in the attic after their death and you find a stash like this? Amazing. You can hold $60 to $100 million in one hand. Wow! Talk about numismatic value! Anway, she probably was expecting a fight prior to turning them over to the mint for authentication. So, we shall see how it turns out.

There are a lot of very wealthy folks around that would have been interested in one of these coins under the table. Some of these people buy rare stolen art and sock it away for eons. Market would be the same. Way beyond my league and frankly I don't really care one way or the other.
 
The present owners are innocent of wrong doing, and their dad/grandfather, whatever,,, took his guilt, if any, to his grave with him.
Which would explain why nobody is being charged with a crime, the government is simply reclaiming property that the current possessor should not even have in their possession except for through less that legal means
 
...That Double Eagle, which is believed to have been part of a collection belonging to King Farouk of Egypt, surfaced when a coin dealer tried selling it to undercover Secret Service agents.

After a legal battle, the dealer was permitted to sell the coin at auction on the condition he split the proceeds with the Mint.
It looks like the Mint just wants a cut of the profits.
 
Meh, now that it's clear the lady couldn't have had a claim based on any statute of limitation, I've changed my opinion. They belong to the Mint, but they should not be allowed to auction or sell them.

I'll note that the Mint allowing a previous sale but taking a cut of the profits casts the appearance of impropriety and was a bad move.
 
If the mint tosses them into the smelter, and makes them bullion I could accept this as just. ANYTHING else is just wrong. museum pieces, collectors items, rare and unique,,,,,,,, BULLS,,,,,,,, They should belong to the people that have possesion.

The mint lost? them many years ago. they no longer belong to the mint, after all,,,, did they even know they were gone? If they did, and have an open investigation,,, nice catch,,, if not?
May I volunteer for jury duty on this one?
 
The trapdoor springfield in the article I posted was 'lost' (a euphemism for stolen) 40-some years ago, and was pretty much written off as lost forever until a Trapdoor collector saw the rifle on a gun auction and tipped off authorities.

If you had a gun stolen 40 years ago (if you are old) or a gun stolen today that is recovered 40 years from now (if you are young), would you let bygones be bygones, or would you want it back?
 
Lol @ all the do-gooder hypocrites. You and I both know you bash the Indian (native) claims and the Mexican claims on land. Lol. You say 'get over it, you lost it, we have it, F off now'. Lol @ hypocrites.

Is it legal to own gold in the USA? I thought there was some sort of rule against it like 50 years ago.

'We hereby declare that all gold coins of this type were melted, so these must obviously be stolen, and thus we are taking them from you."

Yea, love the lack of evidence, lack of proof or anything, lack of witnesses, lack of charges, lack of lots of things. This makes me mad to think about, and madder that ordinary joe stooges are supporting it.

The mint can go fk themselves, that's BS and you all ought to know it.

SHAME.
 
Lands lost by the Indians and Mexicans was lost through conquest, the land was not 'stolen.' It has nothing to do with the discussion at hand at any rate.

Yea, love the lack of evidence, lack of proof or anything, lack of witnesses, lack of charges, lack of lots of things.

The fact that the coins were never released to the public should be clue enough that they were probably taken home from the mint in someone's lunchbucket.
 
I think the FEDS are right in confiscating the "stolen" goods. But I expect them to destroy it. It's only right.

If they decide to sell it or make any other use of it. I feel it's only fair to pay the lady a fixed percentage "finder's fee".

Personally I think the lady that turned it in is pretty stupid. I would have turned in one coin if I was unsure. And kept the other 8 for my kid's college fund and a big contribution to the get Diane Sweinstein out of office campaign. :evil: :evil:
 
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