Some Pilots Oppose Gun Rules; Screening Intrusive, Security Group Says

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February 13, 2003, Thursday, Final Edition

SECTION: A SECTION; Pg. A13

LENGTH: 548 words

HEADLINE: Some Pilots Oppose Gun Rules; Screening Intrusive, Security Group Says

BYLINE: Keith L. Alexander, Washington Post Staff Writer

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An airline pilots group said yesterday that the federal agency in charge of air security is setting unacceptable requirements for pilots to qualify to carry guns during flights.

In a message to its members, the Airline Pilots' Security Alliance said the requirements proposed by the Transportation Security Administration, including exhaustive psychological evaluations, were "intrusive" and "obscene." The group said the TSA wants each pilot who wants to carry a gun to submit to a wide-ranging background investigation, including interviews with neighbors, relatives, friends and co-workers, an interview with a TSA psychiatrist, a second government psychological exam and a medical evaluation. The pilots said that many of the requirements were redundant. The Federal Aviation Administration conducts physical and psychological exams of pilots every six months.

"They're requiring us to jump through so many hoops so that we can't meet the requirements," said Tracy W. Price, a spokesman for the pilots group.

TSA spokesman Robert Johnson said the background-check requirements are similar to those that other federal law enforcement officers, including air marshals, undergo. "It's reasonable to expect that putting a firearm in an aircraft environment would include some kind of prior evaluation," Johnson said. "The only limiting factor to this program is funding."

The TSA has set aside $ 500,000 to train an initial group of 50 pilots and the agency requested $ 25 million in its fiscal 2004 budget. Johnson said the TSA is designing a training program that will "attempt to reduce as much as possible any liability issues that may arise."

Congress voted last year to allow the training of pilots to carry firearms on flights. The program calls for volunteer pilots to become "federal flight deck officers." The TSA has until Feb. 25 to implement its firearm-training program and finalize its requirements.

Not all pilots oppose the TSA rules. John Mazor, a spokesman for the Air Line Pilots Association, the union that represents 66,000 pilots, said his members support stringent investigations. He said the union lobbied for extensive background checks and screening of its members.

"I'm somewhat surprised at this announcement from the group," Mazor said. "There was no secret that there would be these kind of requirements."

Mazor said Price's group wanted to arm pilots faster than the government and the union thought was feasible.

Price said pilots should have been armed immediately after the 2001 terrorist attacks. The screening process should require only proof that the pilot is employed and does not have a criminal background, he said.

Price's group objected to some of the language in a draft of the TSA's guidelines for arming the pilots. According to the draft provided to The Washington Post by the group, pilots had to "have the requisite mental, psychological and cognitive abilities as well as the discipline and judgment" to possess the firearms. The pilots also must "conduct themselves with maximum regard for the safety and security of the traveling public, crew" and federal air marshals.

"Our position is if you don't have those traits in abundance already, you have no business being an airline pilot," Price said.
 
I'm with those pilots on this.

The FARs to maintain your Class 1 physical and ATP qualifications are far more stringent physically and psychologically than any LEO has to meet. Give the pilots the shoot-em-up training classes, then clear them to pack.

The program sounds like a boondoggle to spend tax money, IMO.
 
$500,000 to train 50 pilots? That comes out to about $10,00/pilot. What type of training do you think you might get for $10,000 at Gunsite or Thunder Ranch?

Then comes the big bucks - $25,000,000. That would buy a lot of $2500 toilet seats. Your taxdollars at work!:mad:
 
ACTION ALERT

PASS THIS ALERT ALONG TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW!

Wednesday, February 12, 2003

Armed Pilot Program Screening Standards Unacceptable



The TSA (the same government bureaucracy that recently gave itself the power to unceremoniously revoke a pilot's certificate) will require from each Federal Flight Deck Officer (FFDO) candidate:


1) A lengthy and probing application & resume.
2) A government administered psychological exam, testing AIRLINE PILOTS for things like MENTAL ABILITIES, JUDGMENT, DISCIPLINE, AND THE ABILITY TO FOLLOW PROCEDURES, POLICIES, REGULATIONS AND LAWS. Airline pilots prove each day that they possess an abundance of these traits. What would happen to a pilot that failed to meet the TSA standard? Would the benevolent government bureaucracy be merciful enough to let him continue to do the job he has been doing quite well for many years?
3) A one-on-one "interview" with a TSA psychiatrist. The TSA will be screening to make sure that AIRLINE PILOTS CAN "CONDUCT THEMSELVES WITH MAXIMUM REGARD FOR THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THE TRAVELING PUBLIC, CREW AND FAMS..." No kidding.
4) A very probing, intrusive and exhaustive government sponsored background investigation to include an "interview" with a TSA "security expert." They will call a pilots neighbors, friends, relatives, co-workers, previous employer and, in direct violation of the law, THEY WILL ASK HIS OR HER CURRENT AIRLINE EMPLOYER IF THEY THINK THE PILOT SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE FFDO PROGRAM. Considering the airlines longstanding and clear opposition to this program, we wonder what the answer might be?
5) A medical evaluation. Apparently existing FAA exams required every six months are inadequate for the TSA.
6) TSA agents will be skulking around FFDO training facilities with pencils and notepads OBSERVING THE BEHAVIOR OF FFDO STUDENTS DURING THEIR FIREARMS TRAINING and making sure they have the proper "mindset." Stand by for a hostile training environment.
7) ANOTHER "psychological assessment" after training is completed. Look forward to another TSA sponsored psychiatric grilling.


TSA Proposed Firearms Carry Method Unacceptable



The time proven method, the one that is the safest and most secure way of transporting a firearm, is for the individual responsible for the firearm to carry it on his person. The TSA is not planning to allow this for FFDO's BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MAKE THIS PROGRAM AS CUMBERSOME, UNMANAGEABLE, UNWIELDY AND AS EXPENSIVE AS POSSIBLE in order to minimize the number of pilots that volunteer and to doom the program to failure even before it starts. GUNS IN UNATTENDED LOCK-BOXES OR IN UNSECURED CREW LUGGAGE WILL PUT ALL PILOTS IN JEOPARDY AND MAKE OUR TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM LESS SAFE, but these facts conflict with the TSA's true agenda: To scuttle the FFDO program.

A TSA attorney-advisor, Mr. Stephen L. Cohen has made it clear that the TSA intends to make the program so difficult, intimidating and burdensome that no pilot will volunteer.


WE NEED YOUR HELP!

Help us to remind the TSA that they serve the traveling public and are responsible to the Congress, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!


RIGHT NOW, CALL 202/224-3121. ASK TO SPEAK TO YOUR CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVE AND BOTH OF YOUR SENATORS.

TELL THEM THAT THE TSA IS IGNORING THE WILL OF CONGRESS AND IS UNREASONABLY LIMITING THE NUMBER OF AIRLINE PILOTS THAT MAY BE ARMED!

THEN CALL THE WHITE HOUSE AT 202/456-1111. TELL PRESIDENT BUSH TO FIX THE PROBLEM AT THE TSA TODAY AND MAKE THEM IMPLEMENT AN ARMED PILOT PROGRAM THAT COMPLIES WITH THE WILL OF CONGRESS.


Airline pilots want nothing more than a reasonable, effective and safe program. It is OBSCENE to subject airline pilots, who willingly volunteer for this unpaid duty so that they can defend their passengers and crew, to the TSA proposed minefield. Airline pilots are not the enemy, the terrorists are!


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APSA...Secure Skies,
Our ONLY Concern

The Airline Pilot’s Security Alliance (APSA) is a grass-roots group, formed by professional airline pilots from every major airline born in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks committed on September 11, 2001. APSA works to shape public opinion and policy by educating other pilots, the general public, and working with federal officials and policy makers. APSA has had a significant influence on our nation’s approach to airline security and has briefed numerous White House, DOT, DOJ, FAA and Congressional officials.

APSA believes that a combination of improved airport security, modifications to aircraft, and a carefully implemented program to arm volunteer airline pilots with firearms, will ensure the maximum possible security for the flying public. APSA was instrumental in getting legislation passed that provided for a strong, armed pilot program. APSA will keep a watchful eye on the program to ensure that it remains the large, high-quality program demanded by Congress and the traveling public.

All APSA work is performed by volunteers from all walks of life, working on their days off and without compensation. APSA’s sole objective is to improve airline security by implementing rational, well-studied measures that will make a real difference in the safety of our passengers and crews. APSA has received overwhelming support from airline pilots, flight attendants as well as members of the public at large who have donated considerable time and effort to improve airline security. APSA is not involved in labor issues, but is only interested in making your skies safe and more secure.

APSA is proud of its large network of highly experienced airline pilots and flight attendants. Our pilots hold centuries of combined aviation experience and hundreds of thousands of hours in command of the entire spectrum of civil and military aircraft.

Whether you are involved in the aviation industry or just a concerned citizen or passenger, APSA would like to invite you to join us and take part in this vital undertaking. We have all seen how commercial aviation plays such a vital role in our country’s infrastructure and overall economy. By helping APSA you can be part of the solution for a better, more secure, America that continues to respect individual rights and freedoms.

http://www.secure-skies.org/
 
Unfortunately, I don't have enough info on this matter to really have an educated comment...I've always felt like those that really knew what was going on would make the right decisions...
I've wondered w/ a secure door, why would the pilot want to leave cock pit to handle a situation that is obviously out of control? Wouldn't it be best to try to land the plane ASAP?

Hope I didn't step on any toes, I'm just looking for anwsers & some knowledge...
 
The TSA is completely out of their league here. They further have absolutely no jurisdiction to legislate pilot activity. That is the sole domain of the FAA.

This is typical government beaurocratic nonsense.

These pilots fly monsterous planes that can be used as missiles like we saw on 9/11 but the TSA wants to verify the pilots as stable enough to carry a gun:neener:
 
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