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Military response vowed in Fallujah
By Kevin Johnson, USA TODAY
BAGHDAD — U.S. officials vowed Thursday to bring overwhelming military might to the outlaw city of Fallujah a day after insurgents killed five U.S. soldiers and dragged the charred corpses of four American civilians through the city.

Chief U.S. administrator in Iraq Paul Bremer says the attacks in Fallujah will not go unpunished.
By Ceerwan Aziz, AFP

Describing the attacks against the soldiers and civilians as "bestial," Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt promised the military would re-establish control of what has emerged as the center of Iraqi resistance.

"We will respond," said Kimmitt, the U.S.-led coalition's top military spokesman. "It will be deliberate and precise and be overwhelming ... We will kill them or we will capture them."





The warning sets the stage for a clash between newly arrived U.S. Marines, who have assumed control of the area, and anti-U.S. residents of a city that has resisted repeated efforts to bring it under control.

The U.S. warning appeared to reflect a growing frustration with the coalition's inability to break the resistance in the Fallujah region and rising anger triggered by the horrific images broadcast on international television of U.S. civilians being burned and mutilated by mobs only 35 miles from the capital. Officials said the bodies have been recovered.

Two of the victims were identified by family members as Jerko "Jerry" Zovko, 32, from Willoughby, Ohio; and Michael Teague, 38, from Clarksville, Tenn. Both were decorated Army veterans.

Paul Bremer, the coalition's chief administrator, said the deaths would not go unpunished and branded the attackers as "ghouls and cowards."

The Iraqi Governing Council's representative from the sprawling Anbar province, which includes Fallujah, said Wednesday's murders brought shame to all of Iraq. "As an Iraqi, I feel as much revulsion as any American," Samir Shakir Mahmoud said. "It must stand condemned."

The separate attacks against soldiers and civilians Wednesday represented the bloodiest day for the coalition since early January. The five U.S. soldiers were killed when a convoy rolled over a roadside bomb.

The four civilians were killed when rocket-propelled grenades and small-arms fire hit their two-vehicle convoy. The vehicles were set ablaze and the victims' bodies were mutilated. Two were hanged from a bridge.

The civilians were employees of Blackwater Security Consulting, a company based in North Carolina that also protects Bremer.

Kimmitt defended the military's decision not to charge into the city center Wednesday as jubilant mobs displayed the civilians' bodies. To have done so, he said, would have put soldiers at risk of ambush. He said the coalition was acting on the premise that all of the attackers were Iraqis and not foreign terrorists.

On Thursday, another military convoy was hit by a roadside bomb. The blast wounded four Marines.



The hearts and minds routine has never worked it's time now for the iron fist in a velvet glove tactics
 
Folks, hold your collective breath. Retaliation will be swift and effective. The MARINES will make it so! SEMPER FI!!!

I'd hate like hell to be an insurgent when so many MARINES are coming for me!

Goodnight Chesty, where ever you are!;)
 
Up to half a million Iraqis, hostile, versus 1st MEF. No Chesty Pullers, No Howling Mad Smiths. The count is what, last I heard, 7 dead Marines over 10 days courtesy of IEDs? Not much has changed apparently since I was last in country.

Expect a fiasco. I'm just happy I don't own a television to watch it unfold.
 
I think it's time for "Sweep and Destroy" missions. It's a terrible tragedy that American civilians were killed and their bodies muitilated. Those people were there for a reason and simply doing their job and this country needs to do something about this heinous crime.

Sometimes you have to "lay down the law". After seeing the pictures in the newspapers of the bodies hanging on that bridge, the only thing I could think of was: "Where the hell was the air strike?

No Iraqi on that bridge was there to protest the killing of those men. That was a criminal mob with blood on their collective hands and should have been dealt with at the time in a fashion that would have sent a message that would have said: Don't do this again!

The deaths of innocent civilians in a wartime situation is a tragic thing but it's time to send a message to the Iraqis that if you are "innocent" stay out of the way or face the consequences.
 
The U.S. warning appeared to reflect a growing frustration with the coalition's inability to break the resistance in the Fallujah region and rising anger triggered by the horrific images broadcast on international television of U.S. civilians being burned and mutilated by mobs only 35 miles from the capital.
Therein is the problem. We haven't tried. Looks to me like we are playing the political game with the Sadaam infrastructure to golightly in exchange for good behavior while building the new government.

Bad choice. Now that the turn over of power is progressing Dubya can not afford to have bathist goons raising hell durng the run up and immediately thereafter. The US's unwillingness to act in the previous year guarantees a splashy response now simply because time is running out. Our hands will be tied once the transfer of power takes place.

FOX News talking head Dennis Ross ( who knows something about the Middle East) is predicting to anyone who will listen a major Tet Style offensive in the run up to a transfer of power. I hope the same people who failed to listen during the last year about the danger of Fallujah begin to listen to his advice. A successful, Tet Style offensive will run us out, period.
 
w4rma, as long as it kills the scum who perpetrated this atrocity, I don't care how "political" it is. In this instance, for GWB to do the right thing now will gain him votes in November. That's not wrong.
 
Sounds like a big political show for the voters here in the U.S., to me.
Of course it is. Politics as usual. A few middle eastern types blow something up and kill an American or two, drag em through the streets... politics as usual, right W4rma?

Elections coming up. Enjoy the show.

War on Terror? Hmmmph. Who cares, right? Even terrorists have rights. It IS their Country after all. The War on Terror... brought to you by... who started this anyway? Oh yeah, the Great Satan. Where did I first hear that? Iran circa '78/79 wasn't it?

I think that if I lived in Fallujah right now, I'd be going to visit Uncle Mohamed and cousin Hamid somewhere else, anywhere else, for the next month or two.
 
I do not know WHEN every utterance and posture in the US became political.

I think the murder and mutilation of Americans in Mogadishu or Falujah transcends politics. This is an American issue, an issue of civility, and a big issue about right and wrong.

That we, strike that "we" thing. That Americans appear to be in a position to do something about it, and will punish the butchers, will further the cause of good over evil.
 
U.S. vows retaliation

We should drop leaflets that give them 24 hours to leave Fallujah, and then make it go away. Those that don't leave go away with it. It's time to let them know we're done playing games.
 
This response to the lynching sounds like a big political show for the voters here in the U.S., to me.

I haven't yet seen a response. George Bush must be hiding somewhere. When you execute a murderer twenty years later it becomes difficult to argue that the execution is a useful tool in preventing other murders. Should the U.S. wait overly long to respond, everyone just might forget why the U.S. Marines are attacking.. or politicians yapping.. or whatever the plan might be. Where is George Bush?
 
Sad to say, but "an eye for an eye" is not going to be enough for the Iraqis. It will have to be "Both your eyes, and your children's, and their childrens, and we'll be salting your land". Who is it here who has the sig, "let them hate, as long as they fear"?
 
This was originally posted on another forum and I saved it.

This thread reminded me of it.



200 years from now, I want their children's children's
children's children to cower and cringe in fear whenever they hear
the sounds of jet engines overhead because their legends tell of
fire from the sky.

I want them to hide in dark caves and holes in
the earth, shivering with terror whenever they hear the roar of
diesel engines because the tales of their ancestors talk about
metal monsters crawling over the earth, spitting death and
destruction.

I want their mothers to be able to admonish them
with "If you don't behave, the Pale Destroyers will come for
you", and that will be enough to reduce them to quivering
obesience.

I want the annihilation to be so complete that their
mythology will tell them of the day of judgment when the stern
gods from across the sea — the powerful 'Mericans — destroyed
their forefathers' wickedness.
 
Antibubba -
That's mine, but borrowed from some early English king, who borrowed it from some Roman dude, I think... Just my $.02 worth, but I think it's a very viable plan for dealing with proven barbarians. Some places they only undertand the very big stick routine.
 
Criminals, not patriots

Don't equate what Iraqi criminals do with the heart of the Iraqi people. Those who undermine establishment of law and order will be dealt with accordingly. Stay out of the way. Our best and brightest will handle it, if they get support rather than interference from home.

These renegades are likely the type of people who enjoyed working for Saddam and need to be purged by one means or another. One of their mantras is that Americans are the enemy, and their propaganda influences many people in Iraq. They would like nothing better than for violence and discord to be portrayed as America's fault. The sooner they are under control the better for everyone, especially Iraqis. If these hoodlums were given their way, they would be the next dictators, and we might have to pay them another visit. Don't tell me they're righteous.

What I would protest is a new Constitution that bans guns (which it does). I would rather see martial law imposed by an interim Constitution which only includes a ban on public brandishing. A new model for democracy which does not include citizens owning guns is a poor plan and is certainly not something I am happy to see endorsed by or even proposed by America.
 
(Realgun) Stay out of the way. Our best and brightest will handle it, if they get support rather than interference from home.
:uhoh: Free speech is "out" for a while, I guess.

I don't want to pick a fight, but "our best and brightest" are nowhere near the area in question.

They are in libertarian think tanks saying, "We told you not to attack Iraq".

MR
 
DrJones,


That post is vaguely racist, it certainly talks about the demolition of a society and it thirsts for blood.

If you don't think so, go back and read it and re-read it.

:fire:
 
Free speech

mercedesrules wrote in part:

"Free speech is "out" for a while, I guess."

[RealGun]
That's a good point, but peer pressure is not the same thing as forcing someone to shut up.
 
Civil debate

mercedesrules wrote in part:

"I don't want to pick a fight, but "our best and brightest" are nowhere near the area in question.

They are in libertarian think tanks saying, "We told you not to attack Iraq"."

[RealGun]

Narcisscist sentiments. Typical third party stuff. We're so special. Their worst nightmare would be to have to actually run things. Can you say "compromise"? If not, your own brand of tyranny is all you have in mind. Your way or the highway.

The one thing that is sacred is the Constitution and the rule of law. Would that it were treated as such. Vague laws and widespread abuse of discretion will be our downfall. No one party has a monopoly on that concern.
 
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