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The guy who won the NMLRA pistol Championship this year and has won it
several times is Kim Best. He aims center hold. I would not want to tell Kim
or my wife or any other National champion that they are doing it wrong. I let
my daughter read this thread, she just looked at me and said, Dad, what's wrong with those people? I told her to be nice and polite. Wife and I both have
our CCW permits, and we both carry. When your life might be on the line , I or
her would not want to try to use a 6:00 aiming point. All three of us only know
one way to shoot weather it's paper targets or otherwise . I know many hunters
and I can say not a one of them aims 6:00 on a deer. I guess our family just
hangs out with a different crowd. We have about a 100 members in our club.
There might be some of them who aim 6:00 . I don't know. But the ones who
place or win the matches they shoot, I do know aim center. I know because we
have talked about it . Like I said, you all can aim anyway you want to. Whatever
you like. Whatever works for you. I really did try the 6:00 hold about 25 years
ago. I tried for about three months. I really wanted it to work because the sights
look so good. I was trying to find different ways of doing things to improve my
scores. There were times I would shoot six or seven 10's in a row and I would
think,wow, I'm on to something here. Then comes a 8 or even a 7. At 25 yds
that will kill you in a match. At 50 yds that would be a 5. Stick a fork in you
because your done. What I was doing was trying to make it too perfect. I would
rather have eight 10's and two 9's than eight 10's a 7 and a 8. There is a old
saying , A good score is made by the absent of poor shots , not by a few good ones. You all have fun now. Post me your targets, especially your 50 yd ones . I'm going to go have some coffee now.

 

[jgh4445]

kwhi43, you spoke of putting the front sight on the black and letting it move around. What do you do with , or , how are you aligning the rear sight? I too want my POI and POA to be the exact same. What I do is, and I'm nowhere near at the level you guys are, is to align the front sight level with the top of the rear sight notch and then put all of that in the center of the bull so that the bullet strikes where the top of the front sight is. Or at least it is supposed to.

 

[mdauben]

So I'm curious how a 6:00 hold translates to something such as handgun hunting where there are no bulls and the range is unknown to a degree?

Personally, I use the 6:00 hold (example A in BowerR64's graphic) strictly for bull’s-eye shooting. FWIW this is the way I was taught to shoot at targets and how I've read to do it in several books on bull’s-eye shooting. For combat shooting at silhouettes and (when I still hunted) hunting, I use the sighting picture as shown in example C.

Works for me. YMMV.

 

[Old Fuff]

Works for me. YMMV.

Also works for most everybody else to.

 

[madmull]

remember that the targets used in europe are different than the ones used in the usa

 

[rodwha]

kwhi: Are you holding on and not at 6:00? If so I was lost...

 

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This is what I see. I assume you all know how to sight in a pistol. You can't do
it from a sandbag. When you stand up and shoot it with one hand the impact
will be all different. You can't do it on a cloudy day and the next time you shoot
the sun is shinning and you expect it to shoot to the POI. You can't do it in wind.
You can't apply the ball of your finger to the trigger on one shot then use area
a little farther back for the next shot. Your front sight can't be canted from shot
to shot. You can't hold it lose on your shot, then a little tighter on the next.
Impact will be different. You can't even shoot your match before noon, with the
sun comming down over your right shoulder , then shoot another match that
afternoon with the sun over your left shoulder and expect the POI to be the
same. You all probably already know all of this tho. How to sight in a pistol
is a whole other chapter in itself. Anyway here is what I see






A couple half-ass center hold shooters if I ever saw any. You can always tell a center hold shooter by
the medals they always have and the grin on their faces

 

[rodwha]

No sir, I have not had any help with sighting in anything. I would not have guessed at what half of what you mentioned.

I do know that a gun ought to be sighted in the way it will be used though.

Though my father is a shooter I did not grow up with him. He is the one who got me interested and showed me the beginnings…

The way I've done it is with a slightly lower picture so that the whole of the bullet hole sits on top of the sight picture you show. In essence I'm sighting at the bottom of the X.

 

[fdf]

There are advantages and dis-advantages to each of the three (3) aiming options: center hold, 6 o'clock and sub 6 o'clock hold depending on what is being shot. Center hold is some times preferred for rapid shooting and 6 o'clock for slow fire.

I have a substantial collection of pistol shooting articles and they each same exactly the same thing on aiming points, it's a personal choice.

Matches are won, not the choice of a particular aiming point, but they are won mentally.

 

[BowerR64]

There are advantages and dis-advantages to each of the three (3) aiming options: center hold, 6 o'clock and sub 6 o'clock hold depending on what is being shot. Center hold is some times preferred for rapid shooting and 6 o'clock for slow fire.

I have a substantial collection of pistol shooting articles and they each same exactly the same thing on aiming points, it's a personal choice.

Matches are won, not the choice of a particular aiming point, but they are won mentally.

That brings up a good point because when Phil shoots at his compitition it is a timmed event. 10 shots in 10 minutes plus reloading between shots.

 

[wap41]

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After reading all sides of this,I think I'll just go have Phil's wife teach me to shoot until somebody can out shoot her

 

[Jaymo]

^That. I use a center hold.
I was a pretty damned good pistol shot, before Mr Tendonitis and the requisite surgeries.

 

[gifford]

Center hold for me, it works for me, it may not work for others so ymmv.

 

[fdf]

Very interesting article in the month's Muzzle Blasts, it has to do with using your sights.

It was written my Mike Luma, High Master and his feeling is that the 6 O'clock position is preferred by most pistol shoooters. He has been writing "Pistol Shots II" for the last year or so and has written some excellent articles.

Mike gave me some good places to read outside of his articles, reading has increased my scores along with mental preparation, dry firing and practicing. He is an interesting person to spend some time with and learn from.

 

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I have spent lots of time with Mike. Know him very well. Have know him for
over 40 years. Shoot right beside him. He gave me some frosty tape to put on
my glasses when the Bells Palsy I have wouldn't let me shoot. Good guy. Think
a lot of him and Birdy. They both have done a lot for the pistol program at
Friendship.

 

[fdf]

I have found pistol shooters the nicer people of the different shooting disciplines.

I have been mentored by some of the folks who come from Friendship to the WNS, the help is appreciated.