Uberti vs Ruger?

[O.S.O.K.]

Check this

New Vaquero Montado - 1000 for Davidson's

I like the mods they made on these.

When I started CAS 12 years ago, I bought two Vaqueros in 45 Colt. I worked up a load that shot well in them and met SASS standards and turned the barrels and filed the front sights to make them hit to point of aim at 25 yards - the load is a bit hot by today's CAS standards - 250 grain bullets at 80 fps - laser cast bullets, win brass and primers and 7.0 grains of W231.

I haven't shot CAS for several years now but if I were getting back into it, I'd get a couple of these new vaqueros in .357 and adjust them for 38 specials - and I'd get a Marlin 38 special CAS cowboy to go with.

 

[Jim March]

I already have a Montado hammer. It's also known as a "SuperBlackHawk" hammer. Same thing.

The reason they're marketing the Montado to the HORSE mounted SASS crowd is that the rules on hammer mods are looser on horseback. And that in turn is because having a gun fit your hands is more important than "looking period".

I'll become interested in SASS when that level of sanity permeates the whole thing...unless they're willing to let me call my Harley a "horse".

 

[eliphalet]

unless they're willing to let me call my Harley a "horse".

Made me chuckle. I sometimes carry a small pistola clipped on the windshield bag on my Softail. you'd never think twice about it with just a casual look.

Blackhawk hammer huh, thanks again. Fit your hands is what counts IMO.

Period stuff?? I hadn't a clue, so what is it "PC" cowboy action? LOL. I bet they allow "transfer bars" huh? geezzz..
Had a Great uncle that when he was a young man knew a fella fairly well that had been quite the rounder, and at one time was a Arizona Ranger 100 years ago or so. He had shot a guy that was, or so he said bothering his sister between the eyes with a 22. Told the judge " I figured he was tough enough a 22 wouldn't kill him". He wasn't a Ranger at the time I don't think, and did a couple of years in Yuma for it. Don't know a lot of the story but the guy musta been a problem or he would have got a stiffer sentence for shooting him. Different world back then. Like many of the time I kinda think he played both sides. Those guys did plenty to sidearms I do believe, PC wasn't invented yet . That Great Uncle is where I got the idea of filing the hammer, that and a few other ideas, I still think of and or use. I miss listening to him.

 

[Jim March]

Period stuff?? I hadn't a clue, so what is it "PC" cowboy action? LOL. I bet they allow "transfer bars" huh? geezzz..

Oh, it's a LOT worse than you realize.

OK. First, yeah they allow transfer bars, but you have to load transfer-bar guns five-up. Which I'm OK with, that way people can compete with something street-safe but don't get an extra round advantage.

But. The basics of the rules is "no external mods" - the gun has to LOOK period and stock condition.

You can do spring kits. You can do a $200 action job. You can do a drop-in Power Custom hammer/trigger set that give you basically a highly refined action. They allow a $1,000 line-bored barrel and cylinder set for God's sake. But HEAVEN FORBID you throw in a $35 lower hammer so the gun fits your hand better.

It's as if NASCAR allowed unlimited engine mods but everybody had to have the same seat and steering wheel bolted into the same place in every car, so if you were too tall or too short you're screwed.

It's just NONSENSE.

And what it leads to is just ugly. The worst offense is the rise of the off-hand thumb cocking. It's idiocy in terms of what will save your life in a REAL fight because you can't shoot one-handed if all your cocking practice is with your off hand. Off-hand cocking is an extreme compensation for guns that don't fit your hand, as it no longer really matters.

But what's happening is, the genuine art of the single action fighting wheelgun is being bastardized just to fit rules as dumb as anything BATFE ever came up with.

Dear SASS: IT'S NOT THE GUNS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO PRESERVE, IT'S THE SKILLS YOU FRIGGIN' IDIOTS.

Ahem. Sorry 'bout that.

 

[Revolver Ocelot]

ruger you get what you pay for and I'm not sure of uberti's warranty but rugers is lifetime.

 

[gezzer]

I am always amazed by rules made by costume dressed men (clowns)

Want to make equal rules? Only period firearms originals allowed. When you can afford the costume you can afford the gun.

Fastest growing sport with nanny rules IMHO.

 

[P. Plainsman]

[ Ahh, never mind -- digressive gripe about the use of "wimp loads" in CAS, and how I'd be much more interested in the sport if there were a reasonable power floor, deleted in the interest of staving off thread drift ]

 

[Deanimator]

It depends upon what you want, modern convenience or authenticity.

I was looking at getting a single action revolver earlier this year. I have no intention of doing anything other than casual target practice with it, so the inability to safely carry six in the cylinder is irrelevant to me. If you plan on carrying the gun with six, you're best off with the Ruger. My best friend has a Vaquero Bisley and it's a great gun, just not what I want in terms of authenticity.

 

[Jim March]

The Vaq Bisley is for sure NOT even remotely authentic. It's oversize, and Ruger's implementation of the "Bisley" is more or less authentic in terms of hammer and trigger, nowhere close in terms of grip frame. The Ruger "Bisley" is derived loosely from some early 20th century custom guns (notably the "#5" Elmer Keith owned and partially designed) but oversize from that.

The New Vaquero is much more authentic...close enough to a Colt SAA to fit in the same holsters. Only the transfer bar and loading drill with the hammer down are seriously "off" from turn-of-the-century Colt SAAs...well, plus coil springs and metallurgy of course.

 

[Gaucho Gringo]

Can I offer another option, Taurus Guacho ? It looks good, has four clicks plus transfer bar safety, action is silky smooth and has a lifetime warranty. I have one and I am very happy with it.

 

[eliphalet]

In Sportsmans today and took a good look ast the New Vaquero and a SBH side by side. That SBH hammer is the way a SA hammer otta be made. Going soon to compare the new and old Vaquero's side by side as I found a shop that has some of each but were closed on Sunday. I need to go to Boise and get some new BLM maps anyway so now I have two excuses to put up with that traffic..