Uberti's The Remington 1890 Police; Good, Bad, Or Ugly?

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I post a poll a little while ago asking for opinions on which revolver I should get next, and thanks for all the replies, but i've been thinking that I'd like to get a old west type revolver, and I prefer the looks of the Remington 1890 Police over the SAA. I found the Hartford Armory probably makes the best 1890 replica, but at over $1400 it's more than I want to pay. However, I did find an Uberti 1890 replica that at least on the web looks pretty nice, and is very reasonably priced. Can anyone provide some opinions/info on Uberti's 1890 replica?

I understand that Uberti has a reputation of having problems with their revolver's springs, is this true? Are the innards of Uberti's 1890 Police much different from their SAA clones? How hard would it be to find springs and a good gunsmith to slick-up a 1890 clone if it needed it? Thanks.


http://www.uberti.com/firearms/1890-police.tpl


nero
 
I've got five Uberti 1875 pattern revolvers, which are very similar to the 1890 Police (in fact, they are identical except for the ejector rod housing -- you can convert an 1875 Outlaw into an 1890 Police by just changing the ejector rod housing and adding a lanyard ring). I use them in cowboy shooting. What I like about the Remington replicas is the grip/frame shape, trigger width/position and hammer shape. Compared to a Colt clone, the Remmie replicas have grips that extend much further rearward. This results in a longer reach from the grip to the trigger. I have always found the Colt's trigger to be much too close to the grip, so the Remington feels better in my hand. With a Colt clone and a natural grip, the trigger hits my trigger finger between the first and second joints. That makes it hard to get a straight press to the rear, so I have to concentrate, or bend my finger unnaturally, to avoid "pushing" the shot to the left. With the Remmies, the trigger falls naturally to the pad of my finger -- where it should be.

The Remmie trigger is also much wider than a Colt's, allowing easier trigger control and a more positive feel.

Finally, the Remmie's hammer spur is lower, making it much easier to reach with the strong hand thumb. This makes it easier to shoot the Remmie one-handed ("duelist" style, to use the cowboy shooting terminology). It also makes it slightly slower for two-handed shooting, so it's a trade-off.

Here's the bad news -- fit and finish tends to be pretty poor. Every 1875 or 1890 Uberti made in the last few years that I've handled (and that's a LOT) has been in need of a good action job. Uberti does a horrible job of polishing and fitting the frame and internals. Tool marks and rough surfaces are everywhere. Uberti uses the cheap way out, which is to fit heavy springs that will overcome the friction of those poorly finished and fitted parts. This results in a gun that isn't fun to shoot, isn't fast, and more importantly, tears itself up pretty quickly. The timing is also often off on out-of-the-box Ubertis, and the barrel/cylinder gap can be way out of spec. Uberti has some very loose tolerances.

The springs do need to be replaced, and there aren't many off-the-shelf options. EMF now offers a lightened mainspring for around $15, but it won't do you any good without a decent action job, anyway. Colt springs can be modified to fit, or the stock Uberti springs can be polished (to remove the tool marks that act as stress risers and cause failure) and shaved (to lighten them). Get a couple of extra hand springs from VTI Gun Parts while you're at it, because these guns eat hand springs like potato chips.

Bottom line -- I really like Remmies, and I shoot them much better than I do Colt clones. They're different enough to get a little attention and "style points", too, if such things matter to you. Just plan on spending $75-100 to have a new one worked over by a competent gunsmith. What you get back will be smooth, reliable and fun to shoot.

Any gunsmith who handles Colts and Colt clones can do a Remington replica, as they work in exactly the same way. I highly recommend Steve Young (aka Nate Kiowa Jones) of Steve's Guns: http://www.stevesgunz.com. He does an excellent "race ready" action job for $90 that includes recutting and polishing the forcing cone for better accuracy and no leading. I've had other gunsmiths screw up these revolvers, but Steve has never let me down.
 
Thank you very much for the helpful/informative reply. I just called a local Uberti dealer and was told I'd have to wait 6 months for a 1890 Police in .357 Magnum! :what: So I think I'll pass on it for now.

However, I called another local gunshop and was told that they could get me a Ruger 50th Anniversary Blackhawk for $439, no problems. I think I'll go that route. My brother used to have a 7-1/2" Blackhawk in .45 Colt, and that one was a blast to shoot, and accurate enough to wipe a gnat's blossom at 15yds. :D


nero
 
The 50th Anniversary Blackhawk is a good choice. I've got one and I'm waiting for another. It's better made and has much better sights than the Uberti. It's not as "cool", though, and if you want to do cowboy shooting, it will be restricted to the "Modern" category.

If you really want a Remington replica, be sure to check with EMF, which imports them from Uberti. EMF currently catalogues the 1875 in .357 and .45 Colt, and both the 7-1/2" and 5-1/2" barrel lengths, and also the 1890 in .45 Colt only. see here:

http://www.emf-company.com/1875-remington-single-action-revolver.htm
http://www.emf-company.com/1890-remington-single-action-revolver.htm

EMF list price is $435 for the 1875 and $450 for the 1890, but those are retail. Dealer cost was $295 on the 1875 when I last checked (they also had "stacks" of the 1875s in inventory, but I didn't ask about 1890s). Dealers around here will order anything for cost plus 10% and shipping, so final price on a new 1875 or 1890 should be right around $345-355 plus tax.

If you really want an 1890 in .357, by the way, you can always order an 1875 in .357, and then get an 1890 ejector rod housing (part number UB:155153) and lanyard ring assembly (UB:155460/ass) from VTI Gun Parts. The cost is only $40 for the ejector housing and $15 for the lanyard ring assembly. https://www.vtigunparts.com/ab22400...w,+1890+Police+.45LC,+.45ACP,+.357Mag,+.44/40 I know a couple of guys who "built" hard-to-find 1890 models by converting 1875s this way.
 
Thanks for the suggestions. I think I'll search the gun auction sites and see if I can find an Uberti 1890 .357 Magnum, or just order one later when the wait (hopefully) is shorter.


nero
 
There's a reason the Uberti is $1,000 less expensive, and it's not the box.

Standing Wolf, I assume you're referring to the Hartford Armory Remingtons, which now list for $1,495. I ordered a pair direct from HA back when they were still in the prototype stage, and paid a heck of a lot less than that (still a lot more than Uberti, though). That's was a year and a half ago. I just heard from Larry Black, the President of Hartford Armory, that my pair are done and will be shipped in the next few days. They're type 1875's with 7-1/2" barrels and lanyard rings, blued and chambered in 44-40, with consecutive serial numbers that are only two digits each!

I hope they turn out to be worth the money and the wait. I'll let y'all know.
 
Is there such a gun? as a cool looking hogleg that is easy to shoot, accurate and affordable? and not need lots of re-tooling to keep it going? preferably a 38 spl. (357 mag) :scrutiny:...
 
Is there such a gun? as a cool looking hogleg that is easy to shoot, accurate and affordable? and not need lots of re-tooling to keep it going? preferably a 38 spl. (357 mag)

Ruger New Vaquero and....

...dang it nero45acp beat me.
 
USFA Rodeo
Ruger's new Vaquero

+1. Both are excellent. I've owned USFA Rodeos, and they were excellent. I just don't care for the matte black "Darth Vader" finish. I currently own a USFA SAA, with beautiful real bone case hardening and carbonia blue finish by Doug Turnbull. It's flawless, but the street price is $1,000 or more, so I wouldn't call it "affordable" by any means.

The New Vaquero is an excellent value. I particularly like the stainless ones. Some Rugers still need a little attention to polishing and fitting, but the vast majority work well enough right out of the box. The odds of getting a bad Ruger are very low. The odds of getting a bad USFA are about nil. The odds of getting a bad Uberti are better than 50/50.
 
Linking the picture:

prod_1890-police.jpg
 
I've been working alot of overtime, so I'm going to pick-up a S&W M60 5" that's on layaway, and a Ruger 50th Anniversary Blackhawk on 6/10, and a Marlin 336Y SpikeHorn on 7/8. Those should keep me busy for awhile. :D


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