UFOs stole Iraq's WMDs

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tel, there were no wild claims. Kindly Uncle Saddam was already convicted and on the probation hook. The burden shifted to him. He choose to hide and attempt to have the anti-American forces inside America save him for another administration like Clinton's.

Did not work. With much of Western Europe running interference for him out of greed, I'm certain kindly Uncle Saddam thought he could bluff his way though yet again.

The world knows what kindly Uncle Saddam was doing. Heck, the Dutchies and the Frogs designed and built the programs for him including the human lab rat chambers.

Both sides of the aisle in D.C. knew what kindly Uncle Saddam was up to. Bush Dva acted.

Now let's clean the place up and get to work on the rest of God's Monkey House.:)
 
Please produce a single instance of the Bush Administration declaring that Iraq is an imminent threat.
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The only people who heard Bush say there was an "imminent threat" are liberals.
Nobody else heard that. And nobody else thought we were going to war with Iraq because of that.

The rest of us thought were were going to war because Iraq was in violation of the Cease-Fire agreement and 17 UN resolutions. And of course he was in violation and those violations have been found, photogrpahed and annotated at length.

But that doesn't work for the opposition party They need to pretend that the administration made a claim it never made, and then pretend that his claim was incorrect in order to get the sheeple marching in unison.

Keith
 
If the President can attack any nation he wants by making wild, unsubstantiated claims, then we don't have any checks and balances at all. And there's nothing to stop him from lying again.
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uh... yeah... right.

Those checks and balances... i'm guessing you mean that Congress would need to vote to authorize the war, right? I'm also thinking that you might want to have the UN pass a resolution* (or in our case 17!) specifying consequences, right? I suppose another check would be the American people, they'd have to support the war in some fashion or another, right?

hmmm... those pesky fact just don't behave right do they?


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*Screw the UN we don't need them.
 
Please produce a single instance of the Bush Administration declaring that Iraq is an imminent threat.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/w...ode=&contentId=A17424-2003Jul19&notFound=true

The White House, in the run-up to war in Iraq, did not seek CIA approval before charging that Saddam Hussein could launch a biological or chemical attack within 45 minutes, administration officials now say.

The claim, which has since been discredited, was made twice by President Bush, in a September Rose Garden appearance after meeting with lawmakers and in a Saturday radio address the same week. Bush attributed the claim to the British government, but in a "Global Message" issued Sept. 26 and still on the White House Web site, the White House claimed, without attribution, that Iraq "could launch a biological or chemical attack 45 minutes after the order is given."

The 45-minute claim is at the center of a scandal in Britain that led to the apparent suicide on Friday of a British weapons scientist who had questioned the government's use of the allegation. The scientist, David Kelly, was being investigated by the British parliament as the suspected source of a BBC report that the 45-minute claim was added to Britain's public "dossier" on Iraq in September at the insistence of an aide to Prime Minister Tony Blair -- and against the wishes of British intelligence, which said the charge was from a single source and was considered unreliable.
 
1) Does not use the imminent word

2) Does not state the Saddam can attack CONUS in 45 minutes.

It also consider this claim as factually correct

"The 45-minute claim is at the center of a scandal in Britain that led to the apparent suicide on Friday of a British weapons scientist who had questioned the government's use of the allegation. The scientist, David Kelly, was being investigated by the British parliament as the suspected source of a BBC report that the 45-minute claim was added to Britain's public "dossier" on Iraq in September at the insistence of an aide to Prime Minister Tony Blair -- and against the wishes of British intelligence, which said the charge was from a single source and was considered unreliable."
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Notice the date, Sunday, July 20, 2003.

The story is still far from clear on the other side of the Atlantic. For example: MI6 chief: 45-minute claim was 'misinterpreted'
 
You guys sound like the Democrats defending Clinton. Didn't actually use the word "imminent", huh? Well I guess that settles it. He's off the hook.
 
Not at all.

My point is simple. Bush argued that we had to deal with Saddam BEFORE he became an imminent threat. I am not arguing nuances, and I am not arguing what the meaning of is, is.

If you had a problem with that argument before the war, it is likely that you had a problem after it as well. However, spinning the argument is not cricket.
 
pittspilot,

Please produce a single instance of the Bush Administration declaring that Iraq is an imminent threat.
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1) Does not use the imminent word

2) Does not state the Saddam can attack CONUS in 45 minutes.
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You spin me right 'round, baby, right 'round, like a record, baby...

Please produce a single instance where I used "imminent" or "CONUS" in this thread before this sentence. ;) I said I had been told by my government that Iraq had WMD's ready to go on 45 minute's notice. This has turned out to be factually incorrect, nicht wahr? I'd have been completely all right with a statement along the lines of "Look, the guy's a scumbag who hates motherhood and apple pie, steals candy from babies, and keeps giving the stinkeye to the civilized world. We've put up with it plenty damn long enough, and we're going to go kick his butt. Anyone who wants to come help us is welcome, and the rest of the UN can go pee up a rope." Instead, they blow smoke at me with some kind of Tonkin Gulf-esque dog and pony show. That's just bad form.
 
Tamara,

I misconstrued what you said, and put words in your mouth. Sorry about that, I was wrong. Your statement about the "45 minutes" was correct, and I mistakenly attempt to correct it.

I would take exception to your characterizing my rebuttle to the other person on this thread. I believe in that instance, I am re-spinning.
 
Chief weapons inspector Kay says Iraq has 130 major munitions dumps. Some cover 50 square kilometers or more. His teams have only inspected 10 of those dumps.

Saddam is estimated to have had 600-650 thousand tons of munitions. All these items have to be sorted out and inspected.

Of course, this is the weaponry and munitions above ground and obvious.
 
Of course, if chemical or biological weapons ARE found and authenticated, it will be roughly 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 seconds before we hear people screeching CONSPIRACY! CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You know what? Saddam's gone. Good. I don't mourn for the a-hole. Now, or 15 years from now, eventually we would have to have dealt with him again.
 
Another thing too about the inspection process.

Chief inspector Kay was asked why he did not request additional inspectors from the UN. His reply is that the inspections are hampered by a hostile, violent environment. All of his inspectors including himself are small arms qualified and carry weapons at all times. UN inspectors are not generally small arms qualified.

I think I heard him say Sunday that at least one member of his inspection team had been killed. I remember he mentioned that one female inspector shot out her windshield with an M4 when they were attacked by armed assailants.
 
moa,

Chief weapons inspector Kay says Iraq has 130 major munitions dumps. Some cover 50 square kilometers or more. His teams have only inspected 10 of those dumps.
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All he needs to do is inspect the ones in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat, since we know that's where they are. ;)
 
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