UGHH!! The Ignorance!!

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:mad: So I'm watching DEA on Spike network, and these "Federal Agents" lack of basic firearms Knowledge is just mind shattering. I just saw agents mis ID a folded KelTec Sub 2000 as a Mac10 and then attempt to use that same Mis ID as pressure to flip a drug dealer on his supplier. Now they are in New Jersey, and I'm aware that there are a lot of weapons that are legal in most of the country that aren't there, but come on. Who in law enforcement doesn't know what a MAC style weapon looks like? I'm no proponent of drug use or dealing, but are we not supposed to hold Feds to a higher standard?
 
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I like to come on the internet and read about and talk to these ignorant people, then go down stair. Makes for a more intensive heavy bag work out :D
 
It was the mis Id by a Fed who then tried to use it further incriminate someone who was already in Deep DooDoo that pissed me off. I guess It doesn't seem like a big deal to someone who has never been on the receiving end of the "professional" ignorance of LEO's.
 
What constantly irks me is that the most ignorant are usually the ones fighting the hardest to deny us our rights, often under the pretense of their own expertise.

How many times have we heard the likes of Brady or Feinstein claim something about the capabilities of the weapons they are trying to ban, or bringing one of these federal "experts" in to testify in front of Congress? We've all seen Dianne herself waving an AK around jihad style with her finger on the trigger. And in the same video, if you've seen it, she shows her inability to even identify the correct magazine for the weapon, prior to waving it around like a madman. And the exaggerated claims of the capabilities of the .50 BMG--why, it's amazing any planes stay airborne with the ability of these rifles to shoot airplanes out of the sky...
 
As long as this is about stupid actor-with-a-gun tricks. I was watching Terminator SCC Friday night and they had one shot of Cameron squatted down with her back to the camera wearing skin tight pants and (there's just no other way to say this) a full size Glock sticking straight up from her crack.

I'm sorry that just had to hurt
 
OP... don't mean to be nitpicky... haha but its a Sub 2000 :) (I'm sure its a typo bud, jk)

BTW I do agree with you... its ridiculous how misinformed/dumb some of the TV people are. The funny thing about it is they act like they're intelligent and know everything.
 
I saw a show one time, I think it was a SWAT reality show, where they found an SKS in a perp's house and went on and on about how it could "shoot through doors" and "penetrate armor."

DUH!
 
AN SKS can indeed shoot through doors and a lot of body armor,especially if it's full metal jacket.
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Yes, and so can Great-Grandpa's good old thirty-thirty (30-30)...and Uncle Bob's favorite deer rifle, the thirty-aught-six (30-06)
 
I was watching it too today, it was funny watching the "Federal Agent" clumsily not be able to clear a .25 ACP Handgun. He kept trying to rack the slide (probably with the magazine still in it) and was unable to.

I also enjoy watching the federal agents on the show put their meat sticks all over the evidence without gloving up first. I guess they don't care about exploiting crime scenes or picking up latent prints, or furthering the investigation.
but what do i know?

Oh yeah, IBTL
 
I find reading some of these posts amusing. I have owned and used firearms since I was a young boy. Still, I'm not even close to knowing everything about every single type of firearm out there. When I attended ILEA I received training with only (2) firearms. My duty Sig P226 and an old Remington 870. LE does not get the good stuff the military boys have. Well, some SWAT guys handle some cool stuff.

One of the prejudicial misconceptions many civilians have is that all law enforcement officers are throughly versed in firearms. While a LE officer receives training in the safe and effective use of their service weapon(s) many simply do not make firearms a hobby. For many their service weapon is the only firearm in their home. Hand them an AR or AK and they will not know how to use it if their duties are primarily street patrol or detective work. I will grant you that if a LE officer is unfamilar with a certain type firearm then they should not screw around with it.

As far as handling evidence you can never be careful enough. Serial killers have been freed to kill again because of handling mistakes. Larry Eyler comes to mind and I know there are others.
 
Well when i was in the academy, we had a class on weapons Identification, so that we could at least clear an handle unfamiliar, yet common on the street, weapons safely. And yes, I too had been shooting since I was a kid, but some others hadn't. But I guarantee you, that anyone who graduated could have ID'ed a Sub2000 as NOT being a MAC 10, 11, or any of the other variants.
 
I'm glad you started this thread, saw something today on spike that motivated me to comment.

I was watching the DEA show, they raided a house for weed and X, during the search they found "9mm pistol" :( It was a frigging BB gun, the grip panel was off and you could see the spot for the co2 cartridge!!!
 
One of the prejudicial misconceptions many civilians have is that all law enforcement officers are throughly versed in firearms
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Only one problem with this...I missed the show, but guessing from the OP, this was not a run of the mill LEO. It sounds as if this was a raid team member(read swat trained), DEA Agent. Yes I agree they should be held to a higher standard.

Yes I've been shooting since I was a toddler (30 or so years). No I don't know everything about every firearm ever made. But YES, I can correctly identify what a MAC-? looks like, even though I've never physically held one.

Wyman
 
When did you attend the ILEA? My graduating class was 93-114. Although I was quite familiar with various firearms some of my fellow classmates had never even shot a gun before gaining employment with their respected agencies. Most of us redneck farm boys were all old hands with firearms but some of the guys from Indianapolis and the East Chicago, Gary and Ft Wayne areas had limited experience. Those jurisdictions gun laws may have had something to do with that.

I will agree that a SWAT team member should have a certain amount of familiarity with popular street weapons. And a co2 handgun misidentification...thats going to be hard to live down. I think many people would be surprised how little knowledge many federal agents actually have about firearms. Some people...even LE at the federal level are simply not that interested in firearms.
 
If someone mistakes a Mac for a Keltec, they have no business pretending to be versed in firearms. You can claim to be a birdwatcher, but the cat is out of the proverbial bag when you call and ostrich an eagle.

I know next to nothing about cars. If I am guessing about the make and model of a car I am unable to positively identify, I make sure people know I am guessing and cars aren't my strong point. I certainly don't parade around in front of a camera trying to convince people that a Civic is a Corvette.

Furthermore, if I was part of a profession that required me to know more than just a basic rudimentary knowledge of cars, I would put forth an effort to increase my knowledge on the subject. These are "professional" law enforcement officers. Firearm use and identification is part of their job. A large part. Properly identifying the weapon of an opponent and understanding its capabilities could mean the difference between life and death. But of course, we all know how "professional" these agents really are...
 
I truly can't remember ever seeing anyone one one of these "DEA", "US Marshals", or any other Federal LEO show that actually portrayed individuals posessing the same level of intelligence and comportment of any 1811 series Fed I've ever met in real life.

Now, "COPS", " *whatever* City SWAT", and "The First 48" usually feature more true-to-life LEOs. (Not always a good thing, especially on "COPS" case.)

I'm a big fan of most of the detective work on "The First 48."
 
Federal authorities monitor many different types of criminals who do not even own firearms. Computer crimes, tax cheats, identity theft, social security theft, the list is vast. Now, if an ATF agent was to mistake a folded kel-tec for a mac he may need to sign up for a little more training. And I'll guarantee the DEA agent who misidentified the weapon is getting ribbed about it. :)


This is all meant to be tongue cheek humor. I'm certainly not perfect and the only people I know who think they are perfect are crazy. And I do appreciate the efforts of law enforcement at all levels. If the DEA agent called a weapon by the wrong name I'm not going to get all shook up about it. As long as they keep snatching filthy drug dealers off of our streets then they can call a kel-tec a mac all day long.
 
AN SKS can indeed shoot through doors and a lot of body armor,especially if it's full metal jacket.
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Of course. The way he said it implied that there was something unusual and dangerous about the SKS.
 
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