UK: 14,000 knife victims a year

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"14,000 knife victims a year"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/14000-knife-victims-a-year-860857.html


Knife violence in Britain is far worse than official statistics suggest, with almost 14,000 people taken to hospital for injuries caused by knives and other sharp weapons last year.

According to the latest Department of Health statistics, an average of 38 victims of knife wounds are admitted to accident and emergency departments across the country every day.

An analysis of hospital admissions data for England and Wales by the IoS revealed that assaults and injuries from knives and sharp implements, together with sword and dagger injuries, resulted in 12,340 people being admitted last year – 446 of whom were no older than 14. This is an increase of 19 per cent on the 10,372 admissions five years ago. The latest figures from Northern Ireland and Scotland bring the total number of victims in Britain to 13,795 each year.

Dr Tunji Lasoye, A&E consultant at King's College Hospital, London said: "In a nutshell the numbers of stab victims coming into A&E have gone up. It used to be that we would see isolated cases at weekends, but now it is nearly every day of the week. And the age of the victims has gone down. We used to see people in their early 20s; now they are in their mid-teens. And 10 per cent of the victims we see now are girls, which wasn't the case four or five years ago."

The latest statistics from hospitals in England alone highlight an 88 per cent jump in the number of children suffering stab wounds – from 95 in 2002-03 to 179 in 2006-07. And among 16- to 18-year-olds, there has been a 75 per cent rise from 429 to 752.

New figures provided to the IoS under the Freedom of Information Act highlight how the number of people being prosecuted by magistrates for possessing knives has rocketed up from the 4,489 in 1997, the year Labour came to power. By 2006, that figure had jumped to 7,699.

Most were not jailed, with just 14 per cent ending up in prison for little more than three months on average. Suspended sentences leapt from nine in 1997 to 552 in 2006.

The revelations undermine claims by the Home Secretary, Jacqui Smith, last week that knife crime "is not more serious than it has been previously".

Government assurances are based on results from the British Crime Survey, which has recorded "knife-enabled crime" as remaining stable at between 5-8 per cent of all violent crimes in the past decade.

But a report by the Centre for Crime and Justice Studies at King's College appears to confirm the IoS findings, noting that knife crime "suffers from a lack of research on the nature, extent, cause, motivation, frequency and possible growth of knife carrying".

London remains the centre of what is increasingly viewed as a nationwide epidemic. Fatal stabbings of teenagers in London total 14 since the start of the year. In total, 18 have been murdered, compared with 27 for the whole of last year.

The capital accounted for more than a third of all under-16s taken to hospital with stab wounds last year, and has seen numbers of teenagers needing treatment rise from 139 in 2002-03 to 324 in 2006-07.

Hundreds of people were due to attend a rally held early this morning in Islington, north London, where one of the most recent victims, 16-year-old Ben Kinsella, was stabbed to death last Sunday. Yesterday it emerged that the youngster had written a letter to Gordon Brown as part of his schoolwork, warning that knife violence was becoming "part of our culture".

Detectives continue their investigation into the knife murder of 16-year-old Shakilus Townsend in south London last Thursday.

In response to growing public concern about knife crime, the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) will issue new guidance tomorrow, calling on all forces and crown prosecutors to charge anyone over 16 caught in illegal possession of a knife. This will extend to under-16s already "known" to the police.

Acpo wants hospitals to notify police of all patients with stab wounds, in the same way that they do with gunshot victims. The police now want to use hospital records to identify knife-crime hotspots.

Campaigners calling for tough action were not impressed by the Met's announcement on Friday that just 75 officers – a fraction of its 30,000 strength – will run a new taskforce against knife crime across London's 32 boroughs.

Lynn Costello, co-founder of Mothers Against Murder and Aggression, said: "We have to get tough. We've let our kids get away with murder for years and now they are literally getting away with murder – or think they can."

Additional reporting by Brian Brady and Andrew Johnson

How do you regain control in a society that has effectively denied self defense to law abiding citizens? It would be easy to say restore gun rights and the right to defend oneself, but it simply wouldn't be pulled off overnight. I don't want to turn this into a slamfest against the UK, but rather to spark discussion. Reviving a gun culture would seem to be an almost impossible task. Given the task of remedying the state of affairs described in the article, what's a reasonable course of action?
 
Even if they start now it will take decades to overturn the UK's innumerable weapons laws.
When the peoples mindset has degraded to the point that the criminal has more rights than the victim there is sadly not much that can be done without a radical change in the government.

I'm sure the UK will enact a new set of laws to ban any and all knives so that the criminal will just use something else as a weapon.
 
They know they can't ban knives. Eventually they'll have to control the crime problem at the source since it seems they've exhausted all the other options.
 
If we weren't reading about knives it would be about "heads bashed in by stones" - then they would ban stones. Most of those folks are so brainwashed against guns and self-defense - I truly believe they think human beings are supposed to be sheep - it's very sad......
 
When they ban the knives, then the criminals will start using cricket bats. Then, it will be heavy/thick-soled boots that they ban.

Men have been perpetrating violence on one another for thousands of years. I don't expect it to end anytime soon...
 
They know they can't ban knives.

Unfortunately they already have!!! I **** you not!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article3181965.ece

Anyone caught carrying a blade will be prosecuted and will not be allowed to escape with a caution under a crackdown on knife crime promised by Gordon Brown.

“There are boundaries you cannot cross and one is this country’s zero tolerance on knives. It is neither cool nor does it make you safer to carry a knife. We must ease people’s fears. They deserve freedom from fear about their safety on the streets.”

If it didn't say "the times", I'd swear this was the Onion. Very very sad but true.

They now have knife bans that are almost as bad as the DC gun ban (at least thats been neutered) Chefs have to carry their knifes in locked boxes of face a dangerous weapons charge!

I'm sure our friends from the near east will be chiming in soon with their take on these things.

When I first heard about knife bans in the UK, I knew there would soon be headlines about "knife crime being out of control!" and here it is, all part of a panic driven cycle that can only lead to a nanny state of the most ridiculous proportions.

I swear if someone doesn't put a stop to it the UK will be a nation using plastic sporks and round end scissors, while asking for hall passes to move around their supposed "Free" country.

This sort of thing makes me throw up a little in my mouth every time someone says "it so much better in Europe, I wish it was more like that here."

/rant
 
Recently the prospects of visiting the UK have dropped down on my list of places I'd like to visit someday...It really is a shame that this is one or two generations removed from Churchill and the Blitz...they have fallen so far in a short time; cameras on every street corner, TV registration, heck even the Soviets weren't that bad.
 
according to World Factbook the population of the UK (England, Scotland, Wales) was just under 61 million in 2007.
 
When the average Brit finally gets fed up where will the next group of pilgrams go??

It's to bad but the UK is turning into what it was like when the Kings and Queens ruled..

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It's sad to note how quickly the UK has long since forgotten their dire need, as the Blitz wore on, and they girded for defense of their very shores. Arms were in extremely short supply, and good citizens of America organized efforts to collect donated weapons from American sportsmen.

It's also sad to note those same weapons, donated to keep Hitler's wolves from the doorway of the British Isles, have long since been destroyed by a government bent on creating a nation of capons.
 
The highest percentage jump in knife attacks, per the article, happened in the under 18 populations, which gun ban or not are too young to own a firearm.
 
If you want a serious answer, they can get a lot of the problem fixed by building prisons and filling them. Crime is always and everywhere a consequence of the presence of criminals. Remove the criminals by means of long-term incarceration, and the crime will go away.


America has the highest rate of incarceration in the world and we need it. Without that our country would be a hellhole with or without the 2nd Amendment. Guns will only get you so far.


Britain needs a much higher incarceration rate.


Now, if they could increase the respect for marriage, decrease illegitimacy, eliminate public drunkness, start believing in God, and pry their sorry asses off the couch, they could do with far fewer prisons. But that's asking too much.
 
Obviously there is something wrong in that country, and the injuries are no laughing matter. However, I'm not sure that their experience is truly different from our own.

Guns, their proper use and CCW permits are very important to staunch members of THR. However, that's not the norm. Most people in states with "shall issue" laws never apply for a license. Clearly, half of the population doesn't own a gun of any kind.

I live in Wisconsin, the worst of both conditions. We have no CCW permits, and not everyone hunts. Madison is often referred to as "25 square miles surrounded by reality."

I carry superior cutting tools because that's my trade. Virtually any person I meet is at a disadvantage. The best they have is "harsh language."

In effect, the circumstances of my average day replicate that of England.

The bottom line is Gov. Jim Doyle with his head in the sand. And like England, you can snow him under with police info, ER statistics and pictures of the victims, and the political agenda always seems to win out over flesh and blood.
 
How do you regain control in a society that has effectively denied self defense to law abiding citizens?

Call this guy obviously:

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But seriously, the English need to make some very serious changes in their society before the social decay becomes too much for their society.
 
Now, if they could increase the respect for marriage, decrease illegitimacy, eliminate public drunkness, start believing in God, and pry their sorry asses off the couch, they could do with far fewer prisons. But that's asking too much.

Because clearly religion brings out the best in people!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Hk G3 - you got his number? 'Cause no-one seems to be answering when I call...

(Incidentally, if you'd read the graphic novel then you might have some severe misgivings about calling V... ;) )
 
That Mothers Against Murder And Aggression group is very scary:

Some friends and I are launching a campaign to try & reduce the number of knives being carried on the streets. We want the police to have carte blanche to stop & search & anyone carrying a knife without a very good reason is imprisoned for 3 years. How else can we stop this ever-increasing problem? Every 24 minutes someone is knifed in this country. If they have nothing to hide they have nothing to fear. Can we have your support on this please and of course your comments are needed.
- From http://www.mamaa.org/new060208.html

This strikes me as...very faulty logic.
 
I guess they'll have to fistfight their attackers from now on. Hopefully the only violent criminals will be old grandmothers.

Not likely, though. Oh and they just might wear knives anyway while the innocents don't, hmm...

I vote for more cameras.
 
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