(UK) Pistol shooters reprieve 'too little too late'

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Pistol shooters reprieve 'too little too late'

28 January 2008 06:45

By AURA SABADUS

Pistol shooters are set to win a reprieve from strict firearms laws which mean they have to go abroad to practise.

The Ministry of Defence has agreed in principle to allow selected shooters to use its ranges and store their guns on its properties.

But last night a top Norfolk pistol shooter criticised the government for a "half-hearted" move which, he claimed, would still not increase the chances of British contestants in international competitions.

Under firearms legislation which banned the ownership of handguns in England, Scotland and Wales in the aftermath of the Dunblane school shooting in 1996 when 16 pupils and a teacher died, British shooters vying for Olympic or Commonwealth medals are not allowed to train on home soil and have to spend thousands of pounds to practise in Zurich, Switzerland.

The ban is already costing British shooters dear - none has qualified for this year's Olympic Games in Beijing.

Recognising the need for more practise, the MoD has now agreed in principle to allow a select squad of 50 pistol shooters to train in the UK and representatives from the sports' governing body - British Shooting - are to meet officials from the Home Office next month to discuss the details.

But Dereham-based Mick Gault, who holds the record for the most Commonwealth medals, said the announcement was "a very small step in the right direction".

"The sport has been dying out gradually as a result of the ban," said the 53-year-old sportsman, who has 15 Commonwealth medals and was named EDP Sportsman of the Year in 2007. "It's only one or two die-hards like me who have been keeping it alive. I normally travel to Switzerland in the run-up to the Commonwealth games to train and that's a very costly business.

"The reprieve is a half-hearted measure and will only affect 50 people - which is a relatively small number. I suppose the training will take place on specially organised MoD ranges."

A Home Office spokesman said: "We are in talks with the Department for Culture, Media and Sports to allow a small squad of pistol shooters to practise on MoD facilities. We're currently working on the details on how best to implement this reprieve."

Mr Gault said the reprieve should be expanded to allow more sportsmen and women to train in the UK as well as store their guns on their properties, if better results were to be expected.

British Shooting estimates that each elite shooter spends about £6,000 a year on travel and accommodation and many young people cannot afford it.

Under the Firearms Amendments Act, exemptions are granted ordinarily to members of the Armed Forces and private security officials such as bodyguards.

John Leighton-Dyson, performance director at British Shooting, said: "To be an Olympic athlete you need to do a minimum of 10,000 hours of shooting. Our shooters are getting a few hundred hours a year, a fraction of what is required. Every month that passes is wasted hours."

Jacqui Smith, the home secretary, is said to be supportive of the request for domestic training but is unlikely to allow shooters to keep guns at home.

In the 2002 Manchester Commonwealth Games competitors were granted a special dispensation. They were escorted from Heathrow under armed guard to the shooting centre at Bisley. Spectators watched the events behind screens and during training the shooters were guarded by armed officers.


http://new.edp24.co.uk/content/news...gory=news&itemid=NOED27 Jan 2008 18:19:16:530
 
I've never been in a competition, but i imagine having a crew of armed guards paying very very close attention to me would wreck my scores.

who am i kidding, I don't shoot nearly enough to have a good score... need a range, or maybe a job that requires me to shoot
 
Limiting gun ownership/use to 50 competitors is ridiculous. In any sport you need a pyramid of competitors to achieve a few at the pinnacle of skill.

A large, broad base of newbies is needed that can easily get into the sport at low expense to sort out who has some innate talent and who has the commitment to practice to further skill development. Out of that broad base emerges a smaller second tier that practice and compete more intensely and purchase more expensive, higher quality equipment. That tier leads to a third tier who again intensify their hours of practices and investments in coaching, facilities and equipment. Eventually you get to a fourth, fifth or sixth tier of national level competitors.

Essentially, the broader the initial base is of new competitors, the more consistently the top tier will have the pinnacle of skills to compete internationally. A limit of 50 for the total number of competitors and/or high costs to compete even at the beginner level cannot possibly produce consistent competitors that have enough ractice and internal competition to be properly prepared for international events.
 
The ban is already costing British shooters dear - none has qualified for this year's Olympic Games in Beijing.
Amazing. That would shame me.

to be an Olympic athlete you need to do a minimum of 10,000 hours of shooting
At eight hours a day, five days a week, that would take 4.8 years.

A large, broad base of newbies
The only newbies they've got are on their streets committing armed robberies.

In the 2002 Manchester Commonwealth Games competitors were granted a special dispensation. They were escorted from Heathrow under armed guard to the shooting centre at Bisley.
The irony.
 
I had a conversation a few years ago with a friend about this sort of thing here - the right to "keep and bear arms" being interpreted as "Oh, of course you have the right to *keep* arms, but to keep them from falling into the wrong hands we need you to keep them in a locker (for which you pay a monthly rental fee) down at the police department. Then whenever you want to *bear* them to the range for target shooting or to the hunting preserve for sport hunting, you just call in advance, make an appointment, come and pick up a 16 hour pass and you can *bear* your arms to your intended sporting purpose."

It hasn't come to that yet *here* but the precedent shows that it's not an impossibility.
 
I hope the privileged few turn these licences down and embarrass the Government for their shortsighted nonsensical knee jerk decision to ban handguns in the first place.

I am a law-abiding citizen so why can’t I own a target pistol!? … I have a Firearms licence, Shotgun license and an Explosives (Black powder) licence - all of which are far more dangerous than a target pistol so why the hell can’t I own one of those as well!!!?:fire:

I could be wrong but I can’t recall a case where a .22 target pistol has been used in a robbery, mugging etc and wouldn’t be the first choice of some gangland warlord as a fashion piece – certainly not when they can get all manner of pistols on the Black-Market.:rolleyes:
 
Thats really too bad... guess I won't be spending time in england any time soon.
 
I hope this isn't taken the wrong way, but why would the UK government even allow a pistol team to be fielded for the Olympics? I mean, if they've come down on pistols so hard as to ban them from civilian ownership, why not nationally boycott the event, saying something like "An Olympic event in pistol marksmanship is a barbaric practice and should be discontinued"?

It just seems hypocritical to me. Not that I, personally, think they should do any such thing, but at least then all of their ideological ducks would be in a row.
 
Considering how far-out some of those target pistols have gone, I wouldn't be surprised if a would-be robbery victim failed to realise the robber was armed with a firearm.
 
That's what happens when you take the sporting view of the RKBA.
 
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